And that morality demands that a ‘respected’ national/major media outlet like Haaretz gets the entire story and not just one side published as the entire truth.

The editorial you posted from them is full of half-truths:
-granted that it’s not a news article, the attacks are still portrayed as unprovoked pogroms, we do not know what happened there,
-the ‘lenient’ attitude of the army and police? Usually, the army and police have to restrain themselves from ‘harrassing’ ‘Jewish hooligans’, but here they are allowed to go home – why? maybe the ‘crimes’ weren’t as serious as reported by haaretz/jpost (which eseentially published the same article with no further investigating),
-Haaretz still refuses to name the main ‘perpetrator’ of the outpost and continues the lies that Sasson tried to publicize – that the ’settlers’ are responsible for the outposts and heaven forbid not the government ministers who approved most of them at every step, and who are none other than Sharon, Mofaz, and Eliezer – tiny facts innocently left out,

Haaretz is not to be depended on to report the ‘current state of afairs’.

You’re correct, E – Israel’s leftie elite is no longer arguing about what is best for the country – they no longer can justify Israel’s very existence to themselves, and are pushing nihilistic, externally motivated actions. “Will you like us now that we are obliterating ourselves” – a classic diaspora meme.

(It’s also not coincidental that the religious and political fault lines correspond so closely – religious Jews have no trouble justifying their people’s existence, secular Israelis raised on the notion of Israel as a “nation like all others” have more trouble explaining why we’re here.)

It’s like the old joke about the Israeli who doesn’t defend himself until the other guy slaps him. Do Israelis have to be pushed against the wall before they wake up?

As an American Jew who moved here – I find this lack of self-respect among Israelis to be a major disappointment.

Ben-David

Of course, I also would be very happy if the palestinians, against all indications manage to get themselves a clue and decide to stop shooting.

And you call yourself a right wing nutbar?? Oh wait that wasn’t you. Nevermind.

Please contact me Ephraim – ck [at] jewlicious dot com

BTW, I don’t give a rat’s ass about whether Sharon has his ass covered. I’m worried about Israel, not Sharon.

Of course, I also would be very happy if the palestinians, against all indications manage to get themselves a clue and decide to stop shooting. I am just not hopeful, that’s all.

However, realizing that this will just mean more war, but that maybe Israel will have a better excuse to go back in the next time, indicates that you have some sense. That is better than pretending this is going to lead to peace. It isn’t.

You assume, of course, that the EU, etc. will view continued violence from the palestinians ans a good reason for Israel going back in. Don’t bet on that. It is much more likely they will just assume the violence is continuing not because the palestinians are a bunch of Nazi terrorists but because Israel hasn’t given up enough.

And the next time Israel goes into Gaza, they had better drive out all of the Arabs or they’ll be doing this again in 30 years.

Civis Pacem, Parra Bellum.

Look it up.

Ha’artez (Ha-artez!) admits what Josh and I have been saying all aong: that the “disengagement” in Gaza is being seen by the palestinians as a victory for terrorism, and whle warning darkly that this bodes ill for the future (no, sh*t, Sherlock), says, essentially, since we know that we’re going to be forced back to the ‘67 lines anyway, let’s go ahead and do it now rather than later.

That is, let’s pretend that we’re doing it on our own instead of being forced to do it instead of actually being forced to do it later. Of course, this won’t fool anybody.

I mean, for the love of G-d, they admit that Israel is being forced out by terrorism, they say openly that this will lead to war in the future, and yet they say let’s do the rest of it now rather than later.

Can someone explain this suicide wish to me? If they believed that the withdrawal would lead to peace, that’s one thing. But they readily admit that they believe it will lead to war precisely because the palestinains recognize it for what it is: Israeli capitulation in the face of terrorism. And yet they advocate going ahead with it!

When did the sages of Chelm take over?

Now, seriously, we as a nation and as a people, are not permitted to have our army or police do very little while a bunch of young men go to town on some Palestinian workers. That does meet the definition of pogrom. It is shameful that Israel isn’t going aggressively after these men. I am ashamed. And please don’t make this into a Right/Left issue, it’s about our morality as a people.

Oh, and one more thing. Of the articles I quote above, 4 are favorable to a Right wing viewpoint. For example, I list articles that show the sadness and tragedy of the Gazan settlers who will have to leave and your response is to criticize the newspaper that carried the story.