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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722896</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being the can opener of five kittens, I can say they definitely are not low maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being the can opener of five kittens, I can say they definitely are not low maintenance.</p>
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		<title>By: Giyoret</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722820</link>
		<dc:creator>Giyoret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On behalf of the lowest, last level, who are not represented here, by the way:

ME-OW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On behalf of the lowest, last level, who are not represented here, by the way:</p>
<p>ME-OW!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722536</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esther, &quot;sex sells&quot; - apparently so. Mix in some ego and the opportunity to justify drinking alcohol, and you&#039;ll attract a large crowd in the Western hemisphere.

I&#039;ll translate a bonmot by Kurt Tucholsky: &quot;Representative of a culture are not its top achievements, but the lowest, last level, the one that can only barely just exist.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther, &#8220;sex sells&#8221; &#8211; apparently so. Mix in some ego and the opportunity to justify drinking alcohol, and you&#8217;ll attract a large crowd in the Western hemisphere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll translate a bonmot by Kurt Tucholsky: &#8220;Representative of a culture are not its top achievements, but the lowest, last level, the one that can only barely just exist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722531</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe we&#039;re back to this post again. Sex, sex, sex....jeez, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe we&#8217;re back to this post again. Sex, sex, sex&#8230;.jeez, people.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722528</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giyoret, I&#039;m taken, so a shag didn&#039;t come to mind, but both lads certainly are handsome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giyoret, I&#8217;m taken, so a shag didn&#8217;t come to mind, but both lads certainly are handsome.</p>
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		<title>By: Giyoret</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722515</link>
		<dc:creator>Giyoret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: bad boy/good boy: I&#039;ll be happy to administer some kind of testing, though--in the name of science, of course.

Alcohol consumption will be mandatory to relieve you of pesky inhibitions, so we can see what&#039;s what :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: bad boy/good boy: I&#8217;ll be happy to administer some kind of testing, though&#8211;in the name of science, of course.</p>
<p>Alcohol consumption will be mandatory to relieve you of pesky inhibitions, so we can see what&#8217;s what <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Giyoret</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722513</link>
		<dc:creator>Giyoret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By hugging you mean shagging, Sarah?

KIDDING, boys, kidding. I&#039;m quite the wag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By hugging you mean shagging, Sarah?</p>
<p>KIDDING, boys, kidding. I&#8217;m quite the wag.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722510</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You both are hugging material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You both are hugging material.</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722504</link>
		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ON DEMAND? eh, fuck it. It&#039;s true. Muffti can confirm that the only thing that CK doesnt&#039; like about Muffti is his lack of bad-boyity. That and Muffti&#039;s dishwashing skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ON DEMAND? eh, fuck it. It&#8217;s true. Muffti can confirm that the only thing that CK doesnt&#8217; like about Muffti is his lack of bad-boyity. That and Muffti&#8217;s dishwashing skills.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722503</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. We both know the muffster does not need to get women drunk. Nope. Heh. And we both know muffti will administer a hug on ck ON DEMAND, with or without the influence of alcohol.

So wait Giyoret... muffti is the bad boy and I am the good boy???

It&#039;s at times like these I am happy that we keep our personal lives out of the blog.

We love you all though! Hug, hug, kiss, kiss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. We both know the muffster does not need to get women drunk. Nope. Heh. And we both know muffti will administer a hug on ck ON DEMAND, with or without the influence of alcohol.</p>
<p>So wait Giyoret&#8230; muffti is the bad boy and I am the good boy???</p>
<p>It&#8217;s at times like these I am happy that we keep our personal lives out of the blog.</p>
<p>We love you all though! Hug, hug, kiss, kiss!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722499</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muffti, ck, please be nice to each other. Do it for me, will you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muffti, ck, please be nice to each other. Do it for me, will you?</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722478</link>
		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muffti doesn&#039;t need to get women drunk. and he doesn&#039;t vomit. 

But he&#039;ll have to drink an awful lot before he hugs CK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muffti doesn&#8217;t need to get women drunk. and he doesn&#8217;t vomit. </p>
<p>But he&#8217;ll have to drink an awful lot before he hugs CK!</p>
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		<title>By: Giyoret</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722475</link>
		<dc:creator>Giyoret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(agreed. J-bombs can be fun! Shhhh...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(agreed. J-bombs can be fun! Shhhh&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Giyoret</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722473</link>
		<dc:creator>Giyoret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a sec--I&#039;m the ONLY ONE getting drunken, unsolicited Jewlicious booty calls/texts (at my unpublished number (215) 555-6969)? Astonishing. 

So to sum up: Mufti likes recreational drinking of a wide variety of beverages that may or may not lead to recreational sex with partners that may or may not be acceptable in the cold light of day, while ck prefers high quality alcohol served in prescribed manners and limited doses so as to protect his ability to ascertain the sexual willingness of his potential paramours.

(I am so digging on you two. It&#039;s so hard to choose--that bad boy/good boy thing...heavy sigh) ;)

In the end it&#039;s sort of &quot;Whatever floats your boat&quot;, isn&#039;t it?

I think it&#039;s fine for grown-ups to play, and playing responsibly makes it more enjoyable usually. So you both have a point.

Go ahead. Hug each other. Let&#039;s pop the champagne/PBR!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a sec&#8211;I&#8217;m the ONLY ONE getting drunken, unsolicited Jewlicious booty calls/texts (at my unpublished number (215) 555-6969)? Astonishing. </p>
<p>So to sum up: Mufti likes recreational drinking of a wide variety of beverages that may or may not lead to recreational sex with partners that may or may not be acceptable in the cold light of day, while ck prefers high quality alcohol served in prescribed manners and limited doses so as to protect his ability to ascertain the sexual willingness of his potential paramours.</p>
<p>(I am so digging on you two. It&#8217;s so hard to choose&#8211;that bad boy/good boy thing&#8230;heavy sigh) <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the end it&#8217;s sort of &#8220;Whatever floats your boat&#8221;, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fine for grown-ups to play, and playing responsibly makes it more enjoyable usually. So you both have a point.</p>
<p>Go ahead. Hug each other. Let&#8217;s pop the champagne/PBR!!</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722470</link>
		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mix of jager and redbull is actually kind of pleasant. They balance eachother not so badly. As for the collegiate drinkers, Muffti doesn&#039;t really care whether or not they are enjoying themselves - he only cares if HE is enjoying himself. and he postively enjoys the occasional J-bomb. and so would you if you could get the image of frat boys trying to get laid and windign up in vomit out of your head.

And seriously, this idea of &#039;ruining a good drink&#039;...there is no shortage of jagermeister out there. and no huge demand of people that is driving it to scarcity. 

And this argument? It&#039;s hillarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mix of jager and redbull is actually kind of pleasant. They balance eachother not so badly. As for the collegiate drinkers, Muffti doesn&#8217;t really care whether or not they are enjoying themselves &#8211; he only cares if HE is enjoying himself. and he postively enjoys the occasional J-bomb. and so would you if you could get the image of frat boys trying to get laid and windign up in vomit out of your head.</p>
<p>And seriously, this idea of &#8216;ruining a good drink&#8217;&#8230;there is no shortage of jagermeister out there. and no huge demand of people that is driving it to scarcity. </p>
<p>And this argument? It&#8217;s hillarious!</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722396</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muffti you shmendrick. You think those &quot;collegiate drinkers&quot; who wake in the morning in a pool of vomit are enjoying themselves? Do you think they even know that Jägermeister is properly served just below freezing? I&#039;m not a weiner, I have no opposition to playing and having fun - but why not just have the red bull if you&#039;re feeling sluggish after your 3rd drink Nancy boy? Why ruin a perfectly good Jägermeister (not Jaegermeister)? I drink when I want to, not when I feel I have to because all my frat brothers are and I&#039;d never get laid without the help of alcohol. If a woman won&#039;t willingly be with me while sober, it probably means she shouldn&#039;t be with me. Nothing assholeish about that - it&#039;s just smart.

This argument is actually pretty funny when you think about it muffti.

I mean &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; funny...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muffti you shmendrick. You think those &#8220;collegiate drinkers&#8221; who wake in the morning in a pool of vomit are enjoying themselves? Do you think they even know that Jägermeister is properly served just below freezing? I&#8217;m not a weiner, I have no opposition to playing and having fun &#8211; but why not just have the red bull if you&#8217;re feeling sluggish after your 3rd drink Nancy boy? Why ruin a perfectly good Jägermeister (not Jaegermeister)? I drink when I want to, not when I feel I have to because all my frat brothers are and I&#8217;d never get laid without the help of alcohol. If a woman won&#8217;t willingly be with me while sober, it probably means she shouldn&#8217;t be with me. Nothing assholeish about that &#8211; it&#8217;s just smart.</p>
<p>This argument is actually pretty funny when you think about it muffti.</p>
<p>I mean <i>really</i> funny&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722249</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an Abolitionist by any means, mind you (I used to co-organize student parties and pub ralleys), but I treasure if people know when to talk and when to remain silent. As I just explained to Muffti via e-mail, I may even go out of my way to make sober people shut up.

Also, as one grows more mature (not necessarily chronologically older), one may find oneself in a position where one can enjoy quality over quantity without missing quantity.
ck, I&#039;ve still got a two bottles of Rothschild in the cellar. Fancy?

I&#039;ll agree with Muffti that being drunk alone won&#039;t make one a weirdo even though the odds might be higher then. But since Muffti&#039;s got some more information on me than the others on here, I suppose he knows well enough what I was referring to.
Muffti has never even called me at all though - neither drunk nor sober.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an Abolitionist by any means, mind you (I used to co-organize student parties and pub ralleys), but I treasure if people know when to talk and when to remain silent. As I just explained to Muffti via e-mail, I may even go out of my way to make sober people shut up.</p>
<p>Also, as one grows more mature (not necessarily chronologically older), one may find oneself in a position where one can enjoy quality over quantity without missing quantity.<br />
ck, I&#8217;ve still got a two bottles of Rothschild in the cellar. Fancy?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with Muffti that being drunk alone won&#8217;t make one a weirdo even though the odds might be higher then. But since Muffti&#8217;s got some more information on me than the others on here, I suppose he knows well enough what I was referring to.<br />
Muffti has never even called me at all though &#8211; neither drunk nor sober.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Mother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewish Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Mother</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewish Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, drunk people will tell you what is on their minds. But there is a subtle problem: THAT mind is not exactly their real mind. It has no nuances. Like an unproofed term paper. That is not what they REALLY think. They are also leaving stuff out, because they are on very narrow bandwidth. So it&#039;s not worth anything. 

Two people who are both crocked are kidding themselves, and each other. 

It is a little like the blind leading the blind, when they both don&#039;t know they are blind, and also think the other one is not blind. 

Sex between two crocked people is a solitary activity for both of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, drunk people will tell you what is on their minds. But there is a subtle problem: THAT mind is not exactly their real mind. It has no nuances. Like an unproofed term paper. That is not what they REALLY think. They are also leaving stuff out, because they are on very narrow bandwidth. So it&#8217;s not worth anything. </p>
<p>Two people who are both crocked are kidding themselves, and each other. </p>
<p>It is a little like the blind leading the blind, when they both don&#8217;t know they are blind, and also think the other one is not blind. </p>
<p>Sex between two crocked people is a solitary activity for both of them.</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/03/orthodox-attempting-to-address-pre-marital-sex/#comment-722245</link>
		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re called &#039;booty calls&#039; and being drunk does not make you a wierdo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re called &#8216;booty calls&#8217; and being drunk does not make you a wierdo!</p>
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