BTW, the hypothesis that having female babies now will mean fewer soldiers in 18-19 years is rather tenuous. Girls in the IDF are in combat units these days, and even can try to become pilots in the Air Force. Besides, who knows what the IDF will be in 2 decades? Even now, there are so many young men of draftable age it’s very hard for the IDF to cope with each induction. An end to universal service, or even the establishment of a volunteer army, are not beyond belief these days.

Antigonos

ck, do you know why this site is deleting comments?

In 2002

Oct 2004

The fact that at least 1/3 of the population is disenfranchised is well known. So what do you expect when they are getting killed-they shouldn’t demonstrate?

Don’t worry too much about it, Laya and I obviously have some issues to work out. And they will. It just might take some time.

Shabbat shalom!

And this is why I don’t talk politics. Or if I do, I allow that, unless the opposing party adheres to some sort of baby-enslaving platform (you know, like Kathie Lee Gifford), they are entitled to their opinion and I am entitled to disagree, and we can do it all respectfully, from a place of groovy hippie-style love. And that’s what family’s about. Shabbat shalom, kids. Don’t make me come over there and smack y’all.

I didnt complain that you were getting personal, i complained that you were hypocritical about it.

Laya shakes head. give up. closes window, returns to kitchen, forgets this all.

I come to Jewlicious for the conversation, dialogue AND FUN, and can well find and fight my battles elsewhere. How about you focus on the debate instead of “sensing” things about me like whom I hate or whether I have a thick skin?

Look at it this way: we can be friends, we can have fun, we can enjoy the challenge of coming up with a response to the other’s interesting and challenging points.

It’ll be, uh, Jewlicious. Think about it, and think how we came to be having this discussion instead of laughing about the stupid suggestion that they could solve their political problems by only having baby girls.

Now, take a deep breath.

Relax.

Relax some more.

Good.

Have a lovely Shabbat with your guests.

You have much more Koach for the fight than I do. You will get into debates on other sites with people who call Israel an apartheid state and the worst human rights violator in the world. I have respect that you do it, but I just don’t have it in me to argue with people who are so convinced they are correct nothing you say will shake them.

I have never found that debating with you is fruitful and have never witnessed you budge from a position, and really don’t need your frustrations today of all days. I usually just don’t get into it with you. But on the occasion that i do, please don’t throw accusations my way because i cannot free up several hours to go back and forth and back and forth with you ultimately arriving at no conclusion. You’ll have to forgive me.

If you need to feel you’ve “won” the argument because of this, take it dude, it’s all yours.

But dude, for someone who dishes it out on a regular basis, you are mighty sensitive. You routinely throw personal attacks and routinely get upset when they come your way.

You can’t accuse someone of being a “very poor judge of people and their character” and tell them ” if you’re going to try to manipulate the discussion, use a little more tact and sophistication next time. Please” and get upset that I…what? sense a hatred that comes through loud and clear in how you write about settlers?.
Grow some thicker skin, or stop getting personal yourself.
It’s unfair to ask to have it both ways.

Neither of those perceptions is necessarily related to life experience because people can be much older and be poor judges of character, but in your case, having met you and thinking of you as a bright individual, I have to think it’s your youth. Why not focus on the topic instead of me (he says for what must be the 17 millionth time)? Thanks.

You don’t have to write the words “blinding hate” for it to come through very clearly TM. Don’t dilude yourself.

I don’t even mind the arrests, i havent mentioned that once. But it is still thier right to protest a government decision to kick them out of thier homes. And I’m proud to be living in a country where that is more or less understood.

out to buy food….

Laya, if you’re going to try to manipulate the discussion, use a little more tact and sophistication next time. Please.

No, Laya, I don’t hate “these people” or even intensely dislike them. Some of them are good people, some are bad people, some are good looking and some are ugly. Some like Idan Reichel and some are morons. Some have their heart in the right place and some are loonies.

I don’t hate them. I don’t hate settlers. I don’t hate Orthodox people. I hate Nazis and Neo-Nazis. I hate people who hate Jews enough to take steps to harm Jews. I hate people who hate anybody enough to harm them for any reason. That is the sum total of people I hate.

If you claim that the roadblocks are quaint and fine. Good. We disagree. If you think these people are right to protest. Good. We agree. You don’t like the criminal record the Israeli government wants to hand these kids? Get their parents to do the dirty work and their kids will not be affected. Simple.

And thank you for your kind shabbat wishes, even if there may have been a tinge of hostility there. Shabbat shalom to you as well.

If you want to go thru a list of things we havent addresed, you haven’t addressed the fact that histarut srikes cause much much more economic harm to the country then road blocks. Those happen much more often, where is your outrage there?

In any case your blinding hatred for these people really won’t allow for much meaningful dialogue. You will believe that they are evil incarnate no matter what anyone writes, particularly me. You’re off base on the democracy issue. But plese if you’re going to be burning tires, don’t do it on shabbat.

I don’t have the time to spend my friday afternoon banging my head against the computer screen…gotta go get ready for shabbat.

shabbat shalom TM. Have fun driving to the park!

–I apologize but Israel is NOT a democracy.

30% of the country would favor what rabbi Meir Kahane advocated. That is a removal of the hostile arab population from Israel.

It is illegal to have a party that advocated the removal of the hostile enemy-the only honest solution in my opinion.
It is ‘illegal’ in Israel to wear the star-fist symbol.
-did you know that? Well now you know.

So don’t tell me about ‘democracy’ in Israel. people resort to demonstrations because the feel trapped. They are disenfranchised and are told that their opinion doesn’t count and cannot be heard.

Adults are demonstrating and kids are being placed on the front lines of the road blocks. Are there adults there? I don’t know because the article mentions 90 kids under 18 in detention but makes no mention of adults.

As for stones, you haven’t addressed the fact that stones were used against the IDF in Yitzhar. That is no different than Palestinians doing the same. Sorry. You also haven’t addressed the fact that road blocks can cause harm if a fire truck, police car or ambulance cannot get to a crisis quickly enough, if at all. Is that not a form of violence if you’re a heart attack patient who doesn’t receive treatment on time? You also haven’t addressed economic harm. How much money is lost because of these road blocks? Is that not a form of violence? And what is the cost to Israel’s security? Are you going to train new policemen to maintain the same functions that are being lost now? If a terror warning comes through and instead of protection and attempting to intercept the bomber the policemen are busy rounding up 16 year olds sent by their chickenshit but clever propagandist parents, will you blame that on Sharon and the pullout? Or will you tell us (as did one of our posters here) that this is a service to the country because it reveals the weaknesses of the police?

Furthermore, and most important, WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT? Who are they trying to piss off? Oh wait, I know, they want Israelis to know that if it’s going to be this hard to remove 8000 settlers, imagine how difficult it shall be to remove West Bank settlers.

Too bad the fence will take of that for them.

Never thought you’d be one to make ridiculus comparisons of moral equivilancy TM. Really, I’m surprised.

Teenagers are nice pretty for the cameras and sensational for the press (and the blogs) but are you trying to say that adults are not demonstatring? That it’s an an 18 and under show? please dude.

and you haven’t addressed the democracy issue.