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	<title>Comments on: Reason #34: &#8220;YOU CAN NEVER NEVER NEVER TRUST A BOY&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: fordagood</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-845950</link>
		<dc:creator>fordagood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t understand why you would lash out and put down a website that helps out the people that it is for. It is for only a specific group and why can&#039;t they be respected?  
Have you looked into the other topics on the website, how these young teens are trying to be better people and withhold themselves from doing things teens outside their community won&#039;t think twice about not doing!
Their trying to connect to G-D in their own way! Why put them down! It is their place and just for them.However, you or anyone is invited to ask in a respectful way what they want and need. Go ahead and try it out. They are only there to help and for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand why you would lash out and put down a website that helps out the people that it is for. It is for only a specific group and why can&#8217;t they be respected?<br />
Have you looked into the other topics on the website, how these young teens are trying to be better people and withhold themselves from doing things teens outside their community won&#8217;t think twice about not doing!<br />
Their trying to connect to G-D in their own way! Why put them down! It is their place and just for them.However, you or anyone is invited to ask in a respectful way what they want and need. Go ahead and try it out. They are only there to help and for good.</p>
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		<title>By: isaaco</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-621515</link>
		<dc:creator>isaaco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im jsut a regular guy from the outside world and i would love to know how old is the publisher of the post, to me it seems like she&#039;s a 12  years old , theses teens are trying to behave and they trying to help each other with stupid or smart things , doesnt matter the fact is , they are trying .AND ALL WHAT YOU DOING IS DISSING PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY TRYING.hiding urself by putting down others....im 20 and i am wilder then you and even me i can see that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im jsut a regular guy from the outside world and i would love to know how old is the publisher of the post, to me it seems like she&#8217;s a 12  years old , theses teens are trying to behave and they trying to help each other with stupid or smart things , doesnt matter the fact is , they are trying .AND ALL WHAT YOU DOING IS DISSING PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY TRYING.hiding urself by putting down others&#8230;.im 20 and i am wilder then you and even me i can see that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bubbie Sorrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubbie Sorrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This question is as serious as a heart attack. My son has recently become shomer negiya. He has stopped hugging his sisters. He has stopped hugging his BUBBIES and aunts. Needless to say they are heartbroken and I am the one who gets the flack. We are a very warm family where not hugging is noticed and questioned. His Bubbies are both in failing health and they both adore him. All they want is a hug and maybe a kiss on the cheek before they die--from all their grandchildren. My son will not comply. He used to hug and kiss them freely. This is why they don&#039;t understand. I am planning to ask the Rosh Yeshiva to talk to him. Any other suggestions? Thank you so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question is as serious as a heart attack. My son has recently become shomer negiya. He has stopped hugging his sisters. He has stopped hugging his BUBBIES and aunts. Needless to say they are heartbroken and I am the one who gets the flack. We are a very warm family where not hugging is noticed and questioned. His Bubbies are both in failing health and they both adore him. All they want is a hug and maybe a kiss on the cheek before they die&#8211;from all their grandchildren. My son will not comply. He used to hug and kiss them freely. This is why they don&#8217;t understand. I am planning to ask the Rosh Yeshiva to talk to him. Any other suggestions? Thank you so much.</p>
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		<title>By: FrumTeensRocks</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-434395</link>
		<dc:creator>FrumTeensRocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t help but notice various comments on loshon hora.  Funny, cuz seems to me that thi site is loshon hora.  Frumteens is geared for bais yakov girls who YES will get expelled when seen hugging or kissing a boy. ( i know 3)  I suggest you look into shomer nagia and its deeper reasons as opposed to &quot;you can&#039;t trust boys&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t help but notice various comments on loshon hora.  Funny, cuz seems to me that thi site is loshon hora.  Frumteens is geared for bais yakov girls who YES will get expelled when seen hugging or kissing a boy. ( i know 3)  I suggest you look into shomer nagia and its deeper reasons as opposed to &#8220;you can&#8217;t trust boys&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewlicious &#187; NEVER NEVER Talk to&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-359814</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewlicious &#187; NEVER NEVER Talk to&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Those of you who are loyal Jewlicious readers are likely to remember a post I did last year about a site for frum (religious) teens called, well, FrumTeens, which had a post cautioning girls (in 71 different &#8220;reasons&#8221;) to &#8220;Never never never talk to boys&#8230;&#8221; According to &#8220;It&#8217;s Muslim Boy Meets Girl, But Don&#8217;t Call it Dating&#8221; (NY Times), American Muslims &#8220;equate anything labeled “dating” with hellfire, no matter how short a time is involved.&#8221; (Well, they&#8217;re kind of right. Or at least it feels like hellfire sometimes. But usually a trip to the doctor clears that up.) The couple of hundred people attending the dating seminar [at the Islamic Society of North America’s annual convention, which attracted thousands of Muslims to Chicago over Labor Day weekend] burst out laughing when Imam Muhamed Magid of the Adams Center, a collective of seven mosques in Virginia, summed up the basic instructions that Muslim American parents give their adolescent children, particularly males: “Don’t talk to the Muslim girls, ever, but you are going to marry them. As for the non-Muslim girls, talk to them, but don’t ever bring one home.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Those of you who are loyal Jewlicious readers are likely to remember a post I did last year about a site for frum (religious) teens called, well, FrumTeens, which had a post cautioning girls (in 71 different &#8220;reasons&#8221;) to &#8220;Never never never talk to boys&#8230;&#8221; According to &#8220;It&#8217;s Muslim Boy Meets Girl, But Don&#8217;t Call it Dating&#8221; (NY Times), American Muslims &#8220;equate anything labeled “dating” with hellfire, no matter how short a time is involved.&#8221; (Well, they&#8217;re kind of right. Or at least it feels like hellfire sometimes. But usually a trip to the doctor clears that up.) The couple of hundred people attending the dating seminar [at the Islamic Society of North America’s annual convention, which attracted thousands of Muslims to Chicago over Labor Day weekend] burst out laughing when Imam Muhamed Magid of the Adams Center, a collective of seven mosques in Virginia, summed up the basic instructions that Muslim American parents give their adolescent children, particularly males: “Don’t talk to the Muslim girls, ever, but you are going to marry them. As for the non-Muslim girls, talk to them, but don’t ever bring one home.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-342693</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with sandy if you arent fum dnt go onto these sights im a frum teen and personaly its helped me so much....thanx frum teens</description>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-208986</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all very very confused!...frumteens is a GREAT site...but only for a specific level!...if you&#039;re not frum...why do you go into that site?!?!?!But once you&#039;re frum, it&#039;s really awesome...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all very very confused!&#8230;frumteens is a GREAT site&#8230;but only for a specific level!&#8230;if you&#8217;re not frum&#8230;why do you go into that site?!?!?!But once you&#8217;re frum, it&#8217;s really awesome&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-157061</link>
		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t c anything bad in touching the other gender. If you where raised in that way, you don&#039;t think about sex when you touch them. When I touch girls to shake hands only, I just shake hands and then finish. I don&#039;t @#$% %** cos of them.
But if you were raised, where boys and girls always were seperated, you probably would think that its something speciel. I mean frum boys must think girls are alians from space. Girls are human beeings like boys. 
- just a thought from a jewish boy interested in orthodox judaism.
Why do you think it is so wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t c anything bad in touching the other gender. If you where raised in that way, you don&#8217;t think about sex when you touch them. When I touch girls to shake hands only, I just shake hands and then finish. I don&#8217;t @#$% %** cos of them.<br />
But if you were raised, where boys and girls always were seperated, you probably would think that its something speciel. I mean frum boys must think girls are alians from space. Girls are human beeings like boys.<br />
- just a thought from a jewish boy interested in orthodox judaism.<br />
Why do you think it is so wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: frumbutnotbitter</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-135567</link>
		<dc:creator>frumbutnotbitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halacha is halacha and you can try to cut it one hundred different ways to make it look like there is nothing wrong with it but there is it is assur but that doesint make you a bad jew god still loves you no matter what and he understands that we fall down sometimes and make mistakes he only wants from us to stand up and try to do the right thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halacha is halacha and you can try to cut it one hundred different ways to make it look like there is nothing wrong with it but there is it is assur but that doesint make you a bad jew god still loves you no matter what and he understands that we fall down sometimes and make mistakes he only wants from us to stand up and try to do the right thing</p>
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		<title>By: Jewlicious &#187; Let&#8217;s Talk About Sex</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-122174</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewlicious &#187; Let&#8217;s Talk About Sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] n between teenage boys and girls. (Note that this is in diametric opposition to the &#8220;NEVER NEVER TRUST A BOY&#8220;-type discussions that abound on the internet. Not that we should rampantly start [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] n between teenage boys and girls. (Note that this is in diametric opposition to the &#8220;NEVER NEVER TRUST A BOY&#8220;-type discussions that abound on the internet. Not that we should rampantly start [...]</p>
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		<title>By: esther</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-121529</link>
		<dc:creator>esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miriam, I&#039;m not saying the site has no redeeming value, mostly because that&#039;s the only page I really perused. But I still don&#039;t think it&#039;s to anyone&#039;s advantage to cultivate a culture of fear between boys-who-will-be-men and girls-who-will-be-women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miriam, I&#8217;m not saying the site has no redeeming value, mostly because that&#8217;s the only page I really perused. But I still don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s to anyone&#8217;s advantage to cultivate a culture of fear between boys-who-will-be-men and girls-who-will-be-women.</p>
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		<title>By: miriam</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-120885</link>
		<dc:creator>miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can someone give me some examples of why frumteens is soo (sic) bad? i went to the site and it looked pretty benign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can someone give me some examples of why frumteens is soo (sic) bad? i went to the site and it looked pretty benign.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-95863</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 23:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. No clue. ;) Shabbat shalom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. No clue. <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Shabbat shalom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-95861</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 22:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. What the hell was that guy talking about? I for one have no clue. Yup. No clue at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. What the hell was that guy talking about? I for one have no clue. Yup. No clue at all.</p>
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		<title>By: T_M</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-95853</link>
		<dc:creator>T_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esther, you have perverts posting on your site. Jus&#039; sayin&#039;.</description>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-95852</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 21:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to share this comment, which came in to the cross-post at&lt;a href=&quot;http://jdatersanonymous.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;JDaters Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s from a Modern Orthodox man...

1. Regarding #9, not all guys are liars and jerks. we are, however, all perverts. Not that I&#039;m proud of that, but it is a fact.

2. Regarding #26, teenage boys will do that while thinking of girls who talk to them, girls who don&#039;t talk to them, mothers of girls who talk to them and don&#039;t talk to them, sisters of girls who talk to them and don&#039;t talk to them, great aunts of girls who talk to them and don&#039;t talk to them, family pets of girls who talk to them and don&#039;t talk to them, not to mention the old favorites of movie stars, news anchors (esp weather ladies), teachers, etc. It might have somthing to do with the first point I made. In short, it&#039;s going to happen and there&#039;s not a whole lot that teenage girls can do to stop it .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to share this comment, which came in to the cross-post at<a href="http://jdatersanonymous.blogspot.com">JDaters Anonymous</a>. It&#8217;s from a Modern Orthodox man&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Regarding #9, not all guys are liars and jerks. we are, however, all perverts. Not that I&#8217;m proud of that, but it is a fact.</p>
<p>2. Regarding #26, teenage boys will do that while thinking of girls who talk to them, girls who don&#8217;t talk to them, mothers of girls who talk to them and don&#8217;t talk to them, sisters of girls who talk to them and don&#8217;t talk to them, great aunts of girls who talk to them and don&#8217;t talk to them, family pets of girls who talk to them and don&#8217;t talk to them, not to mention the old favorites of movie stars, news anchors (esp weather ladies), teachers, etc. It might have somthing to do with the first point I made. In short, it&#8217;s going to happen and there&#8217;s not a whole lot that teenage girls can do to stop it .</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Mother</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-95695</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewish Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 17:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to say to a kid, &quot;Your enemies have mothers, too&quot;. I meant, mothers who are bugging them too, and not letting them do this, and not letting them do that, just the way I am doing to you. The other kids were saying, &quot;I am so free, why are you a such a dopey little slave to your parents and their silly rules&quot;. I was countering that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to say to a kid, &#8220;Your enemies have mothers, too&#8221;. I meant, mothers who are bugging them too, and not letting them do this, and not letting them do that, just the way I am doing to you. The other kids were saying, &#8220;I am so free, why are you a such a dopey little slave to your parents and their silly rules&#8221;. I was countering that.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 12:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Serpicco. They may have difficulty finding a group of peers in the outside world. One of the good things about being in a certain group is that you have instant comraderie. They would miss that in the outside world. Plus, for some, they are torn between wanting to go back to the old frum ways. Many of them do return. Maybe they don&#039;t want to burn their bridges. I will tell you that I did make the full break when I was that age, but I found alot more loneliness than I had as a frum kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Serpicco. They may have difficulty finding a group of peers in the outside world. One of the good things about being in a certain group is that you have instant comraderie. They would miss that in the outside world. Plus, for some, they are torn between wanting to go back to the old frum ways. Many of them do return. Maybe they don&#8217;t want to burn their bridges. I will tell you that I did make the full break when I was that age, but I found alot more loneliness than I had as a frum kid.</p>
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		<title>By: jsirpicco</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsirpicco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 04:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>screaming warning&#039;s just got old. re jews in brooklyn sometimes being criminals - okay I correct that...other JEWS are watching....my thing is - if you&#039;re gonna be &#039;frei&quot; then just do away with all the trappings of the uniform...why do they walk around with the shirts, the kippahs, the sideburns, the clothes...just go secular and be done with it...that&#039;s what bugs me...why do they have to advertise: I&#039;m an off the derech guy?

Just get a job at 7-11, wear jeans watch tv and be cheerfully miserable and looking for answers like old shtriemel esther and gm! (sorry, couldn&#039;t resist!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>screaming warning&#8217;s just got old. re jews in brooklyn sometimes being criminals &#8211; okay I correct that&#8230;other JEWS are watching&#8230;.my thing is &#8211; if you&#8217;re gonna be &#8216;frei&#8221; then just do away with all the trappings of the uniform&#8230;why do they walk around with the shirts, the kippahs, the sideburns, the clothes&#8230;just go secular and be done with it&#8230;that&#8217;s what bugs me&#8230;why do they have to advertise: I&#8217;m an off the derech guy?</p>
<p>Just get a job at 7-11, wear jeans watch tv and be cheerfully miserable and looking for answers like old shtriemel esther and gm! (sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist!)</p>
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		<title>By: shtreimel</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/05/reason-34-you-can-never-never-never-trust-a-boy/#comment-95563</link>
		<dc:creator>shtreimel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 04:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;MY GOD, GET A CLUE YOU WEIRDOS! DON’T YOU KNOW THE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU??????&quot;

The world&#039;s not watching jsirpicco (I used to believe this when I lived in Montreal. Then I move to Vancouver, and it&#039;s like: &quot;What&#039;s a Jew?&quot; I guess we tell ourselves this myth so we feel extra special. 

Also, you&#039;re screaming again.</description>
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<p>The world&#8217;s not watching jsirpicco (I used to believe this when I lived in Montreal. Then I move to Vancouver, and it&#8217;s like: &#8220;What&#8217;s a Jew?&#8221; I guess we tell ourselves this myth so we feel extra special. </p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;re screaming again.</p>
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