Comments on: Conservative Judaism http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nicole Czarnecki http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-1855635 Nicole Czarnecki Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:23:20 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-1855635 Zionist Occupier, you represent a good amount of why my grandparents' grandparents left the shuls and shtetlach: they felt yelled at and unsupported in their time of need and tough decision making instead of listened to and even simply agreed-to-disagreed with. Zionist Occupier, you represent a good amount of why my grandparents’ grandparents left the shuls and shtetlach: they felt yelled at and unsupported in their time of need and tough decision making instead of listened to and even simply agreed-to-disagreed with.

]]> By: Nicole Czarnecki http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-1855629 Nicole Czarnecki Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:17:52 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-1855629 I'm Messianic and am a little shocked at the infighting among 'am Yisra'el here and at the proselytizing by the haredim. I don't agree with all Masorti or Reform points, but I see the Masortim and Reform Jews here trying to be tolerant and informative more than I've seen in many other Masorti and Reform circles. Can't the haredim simply learn about lo-haredi Yahadut and agree to disagree? I’m Messianic and am a little shocked at the infighting among ‘am Yisra’el here and at the proselytizing by the haredim. I don’t agree with all Masorti or Reform points, but I see the Masortim and Reform Jews here trying to be tolerant and informative more than I’ve seen in many other Masorti and Reform circles. Can’t the haredim simply learn about lo-haredi Yahadut and agree to disagree?

]]> By: FEli http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-568110 FEli Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:37:05 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-568110 Hi ! Pessover sameaj ! jag Pesaj sameaj to old of us ! I want to say something in spanish for the people tooking in this langue and beacause my inglish is bad ! Feliz Pesaj casher ve sameaj ! y a todos los judios estan invitados a ver y participar de Arca juive franco-espagniole ! que funcionara en Pesaj con cuenta gotas ! sitio msn grupos Shalom http://groups.msn.com/arcajuivefranco-espagniole/_whatsnew.msnw Hi ! Pessover sameaj ! jag Pesaj sameaj to old of us !
I want to say something in spanish for the people tooking in this langue and beacause my inglish is bad !

Feliz Pesaj casher ve sameaj ! y a todos los judios estan invitados a ver y participar de Arca juive franco-espagniole ! que funcionara en Pesaj con cuenta gotas ! sitio msn grupos
Shalom
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]]> By: Julie http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-491110 Julie Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:05:16 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-491110 Being raised in Mississippi as a Jew, you had basically 2 choices - Reform, or Non-Practicing. After moving away from there to a larger Jewish community, I realized that the "Reform" of the larger community was too radical for me (I always insisted that my son cover his head while in the synagogue, the "Rabbi" didn't even do that, several parents brought HAM to the end of year picnic, etc). Since I didn't know anyone at the Orthodox Shul - all of my older relatives had passed - I went to the Conservative one. Now, I keep Kosher and am Shabbos observant. Although I'm not "Orthodox" ( a really horrible term if you think about it - I would prefer Traditional), in the "Orthodox" sense of the word, I have come a long way. Do I find myself growing in my Judaism? Yes. Do I typically find the "Orthodox" community unwelcoming? Unfortunately, yes. When you try to use the Cookie Cutter all or nothing comments, it really reinforces, at least in my mind, that it really doesn't matter how much I've grown if I'm still considered "Conservative. I think, in my heart, that less time should be spent figuring out what our differences are. I think a lot more time should be spent, especially by the "Orthodox" community, as they are the most traditional, to helping us who know and understand less, but want to, to learn, instead of trying to outcast us more. I took my children to Disney this summer, and ran into an "Orthodox" family. I greeted them with a hearty "Shalom Ya'll" and even directed them to where I knew they could get a kosher meal, and they STILL looked at me like a leper. Aren't we all supposed to be a part of a huge mishpacha? A Shame that it seems as if we are not. Being raised in Mississippi as a Jew, you had basically 2 choices – Reform, or Non-Practicing. After moving away from there to a larger Jewish community, I realized that the “Reform” of the larger community was too radical for me (I always insisted that my son cover his head while in the synagogue, the “Rabbi” didn’t even do that, several parents brought HAM to the end of year picnic, etc). Since I didn’t know anyone at the Orthodox Shul – all of my older relatives had passed – I went to the Conservative one. Now, I keep Kosher and am Shabbos observant. Although I’m not “Orthodox” ( a really horrible term if you think about it – I would prefer Traditional), in the “Orthodox” sense of the word, I have come a long way. Do I find myself growing in my Judaism? Yes. Do I typically find the “Orthodox” community unwelcoming? Unfortunately, yes. When you try to use the Cookie Cutter all or nothing comments, it really reinforces, at least in my mind, that it really doesn’t matter how much I’ve grown if I’m still considered “Conservative. I think, in my heart, that less time should be spent figuring out what our differences are. I think a lot more time should be spent, especially by the “Orthodox” community, as they are the most traditional, to helping us who know and understand less, but want to, to learn, instead of trying to outcast us more. I took my children to Disney this summer, and ran into an “Orthodox” family. I greeted them with a hearty “Shalom Ya’ll” and even directed them to where I knew they could get a kosher meal, and they STILL looked at me like a leper. Aren’t we all supposed to be a part of a huge mishpacha? A Shame that it seems as if we are not.

]]> By: invisible_hand http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-490329 invisible_hand Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:07:17 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-490329 zionist occupier - you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. zionist occupier –
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

]]> By: Jewlicious » Blog Archive » The Conservative Movement Punts on Gay Rabbis http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-449258 Jewlicious » Blog Archive » The Conservative Movement Punts on Gay Rabbis Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:32:08 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-449258 [...] In other words, Conservatives believe in preserving tradition and its essence or reasoning, but within the context of this tradition, are willing, when necessary, to effect changes. (More info about Conservative philosophy can be found on this, our old post). [...] [...] In other words, Conservatives believe in preserving tradition and its essence or reasoning, but within the context of this tradition, are willing, when necessary, to effect changes. (More info about Conservative philosophy can be found on this, our old post). [...]

]]> By: Zionist Occupier http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-375141 Zionist Occupier Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:13:34 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-375141 (continuation of above, since the post cut off my paragraphs), Qur'an, Vedas, Kitabi-Aqdas, and even Moby Dick are equally sacred as the Torah. Then what is the problem with a Jew following any of those books or converting out of Judaism, if all are equal? "The term skirts the divisive and futile question of origins, the fetid swamp of heresy. The sense of individual obligation, of being commanded, does not derive from divine authorship, but communal consent. The Written Torah, no less than the Oral Torah, reverberates with the divine-human encounter, with “a minimum of revelation and a maximum of interpretation." How long are you going to insult the Jewish intelligence with your non-sensical comments? Being commanded comes from communal consent, not from G-D telling you, "Do this, don't do that"? Why would I listen to a community, why should I take the opinion of men? Why should I submit my life, and all of my faculties to something written by some putz (according to "Biblical scholarship") 2100 yrs. ago, and even die for it, if it is not G-D's Work? What if the communal consent all of a sudden vanishes, then what? We abandon Torah? Then why observe Torah in the first place if it's something that can be voted in or out? It's a useless man-made document. And what if, the Christian right all of a sudden decides to pose us with the age-old decision, Christ or the sword.If your line of thinking is to be accepted, I say we all go "prayse jaysus", instead of dying for something which is, afterall, equal to the NT, and not holier. I wouldn't want to die, or live by, something written by men, and as soon as they change their mind can be thrown out of the window. (continuation of above, since the post cut off my paragraphs), Qur’an, Vedas, Kitabi-Aqdas, and even Moby Dick are equally sacred as the Torah. Then what is the problem with a Jew following any of those books or converting out of Judaism, if all are equal?
“The term skirts the divisive and futile question of origins, the fetid swamp of heresy. The sense of individual obligation, of being commanded, does not derive from divine authorship, but communal consent. The Written Torah, no less than the Oral Torah, reverberates with the divine-human encounter, with “a minimum of revelation and a maximum of interpretation.”
How long are you going to insult the Jewish intelligence with your non-sensical comments? Being commanded comes from communal consent, not from G-D telling you, “Do this, don’t do that”? Why would I listen to a community, why should I take the opinion of men? Why should I submit my life, and all of my faculties to something written by some putz (according to “Biblical scholarship”) 2100 yrs. ago, and even die for it, if it is not G-D’s Work? What if the communal consent all of a sudden vanishes, then what? We abandon Torah? Then why observe Torah in the first place if it’s something that can be voted in or out? It’s a useless man-made document. And what if, the Christian right all of a sudden decides to pose us with the age-old decision, Christ or the sword.If your line of thinking is to be accepted, I say we all go “prayse jaysus”, instead of dying for something which is, afterall, equal to the NT, and not holier. I wouldn’t want to die, or live by, something written by men, and as soon as they change their mind can be thrown out of the window.

]]> By: Zionist Occupier http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-375113 Zionist Occupier Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:59:39 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-375113 "The Torah is the foundation text of Judaism, the apex of an inverted pyramid of infinite commentary, not because it is divine, but because it is sacred, that is, adopted by the Jewish people as its spiritual font." Now that drivel is truly insulting to one's intelligence. How can you insult the Jewish intellect so much? How can something be scared if it is not of Divine origin? According to that line of thinking, if I love a piece of literature so much, then it is sacred, and that leads to the conclusion that tne NT “The Torah is the foundation text of Judaism, the apex of an inverted pyramid of infinite commentary, not because it is divine, but because it is sacred, that is, adopted by the Jewish people as its spiritual font.”
Now that drivel is truly insulting to one’s intelligence. How can you insult the Jewish intellect so much? How can something be scared if it is not of Divine origin? According to that line of thinking, if I love a piece of literature so much, then it is sacred, and that leads to the conclusion that tne NT

]]> By: Zionist Occupier http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-375095 Zionist Occupier Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:42:49 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-375095 Mr. The Middle, I am a Religious Zionist Jew, and I have also returned from a very beautiful synagogue service with many families. The difference? Our services actually have meaning because we believe there is truth behind them, and they are mandated by the Almighty HASHEM. Our services give our children reason to stay Jewish, while yours strike the Jewish youth as hypocrisy. Why fast if G-D didn't command it? Why come to synagogue if it wasn't mandated by a Supreme Being? What reason is there for me to follow a document full of errors,anachronisms, and historical/archeological discrepancies? That is what you teach them, is it not? And trust me, Jewish kids aren't that easily stupid to be duped.They smell hypocrisy a million miles away, and sadly enough it's not the hypocrisy they abandon most of the time, it's Judaism, religion, G-D. Why? Because they were raised to believe that G-D changes His Will according to what you and I want, not the other way around. That what He mandated wasn't really revealed, but compiled,changed,edited, etc. And we wonder why we have a Jewish spiritual crisis? That is why most youth, disheartened with the emptiness and hollow shell of the Hebrew day school are often turning to Orthodoxy. Either that or they are completely breaking off and becoming Goyim. Mr. The Middle, I am a Religious Zionist Jew, and I have also returned from a very beautiful synagogue service with many families. The difference? Our services actually have meaning because we believe there is truth behind them, and they are mandated by the Almighty HASHEM. Our services give our children reason to stay Jewish, while yours strike the Jewish youth as hypocrisy. Why fast if G-D didn’t command it? Why come to synagogue if it wasn’t mandated by a Supreme Being? What reason is there for me to follow a document full of errors,anachronisms, and historical/archeological discrepancies? That is what you teach them, is it not? And trust me, Jewish kids aren’t that easily stupid to be duped.They smell hypocrisy a million miles away, and sadly enough it’s not the hypocrisy they abandon most of the time, it’s Judaism, religion, G-D. Why? Because they were raised to believe that G-D changes His Will according to what you and I want, not the other way around. That what He mandated wasn’t really revealed, but compiled,changed,edited, etc. And we wonder why we have a Jewish spiritual crisis? That is why most youth, disheartened with the emptiness and hollow shell of the Hebrew day school are often turning to Orthodoxy. Either that or they are completely breaking off and becoming Goyim.

]]> By: Zionist Occupier http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-375063 Zionist Occupier Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:34:29 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-375063 I would like for once one of the non-Orthodox authroity to be frigging honest and say what he or she means. What you're talking about is not adaptation of Halacha, but changin it or discarding many parts of it completely so you can be comfortable, or so you can bend Torah and religion to conform with the bias of an individual who might be an athiest out to disprove the Bible. Much arechology is subjective at best. The very fact that the "masorti" movement discards the idea of the Revelation at Sinai shows that they hold nothing to be sacred enough not to discard. How far is G-D going to adapt to man? to the extent where one day killing is ok, so we bend halacha to allow that? And btw, Torah from Sinai is by no means a modern idea, it is the foundation of Judaism. Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch and JD Salavechek proved that Ortodoxy is completey compatible with modern life. But breaking shabbat, allowing the consumption of non-kosher foods,marrying non-Jews, all of this is anti-halacha and is not adaptation of halacha to the modern world, but changing it completely. And one more thing, Conservatives do not know a damned thing about the Talmud, and many do not even recognize it's authority. You people are out to bend Torah or discard it based on findings that might be subjective, biased, incomplete or inaccurate, like "Rabbi" David Wolpe who said that the Exodus never happened. How is this adapting Halacha or Torah?! This is flat out discarding it! Just be honest and stop beating around the bush! I would like for once one of the non-Orthodox authroity to be frigging honest and say what he or she means. What you’re talking about is not adaptation of Halacha, but changin it or discarding many parts of it completely so you can be comfortable, or so you can bend Torah and religion to conform with the bias of an individual who might be an athiest out to disprove the Bible. Much arechology is subjective at best. The very fact that the “masorti” movement discards the idea of the Revelation at Sinai shows that they hold nothing to be sacred enough not to discard. How far is G-D going to adapt to man? to the extent where one day killing is ok, so we bend halacha to allow that? And btw, Torah from Sinai is by no means a modern idea, it is the foundation of Judaism. Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch and JD Salavechek proved that Ortodoxy is completey compatible with modern life. But breaking shabbat, allowing the consumption of non-kosher foods,marrying non-Jews, all of this is anti-halacha and is not adaptation of halacha to the modern world, but changing it completely. And one more thing, Conservatives do not know a damned thing about the Talmud, and many do not even recognize it’s authority. You people are out to bend Torah or discard it based on findings that might be subjective, biased, incomplete or inaccurate, like “Rabbi” David Wolpe who said that the Exodus never happened. How is this adapting Halacha or Torah?! This is flat out discarding it! Just be honest and stop beating around the bush!

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-375009 themiddle Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:06:28 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-375009 CactusJack911, you've proven to us over the last few weeks that you're a horse with blinders on. No need to keep hammering it home. Really. TheMiddle, Who has just returned from a beautiful Ne'ilah service at a Conservative synagogue filled with lots of families and their children. CactusJack911, you’ve proven to us over the last few weeks that you’re a horse with blinders on. No need to keep hammering it home. Really.

TheMiddle,
Who has just returned from a beautiful Ne’ilah service at a Conservative synagogue filled with lots of families and their children.

]]> By: CactusJack911 http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-374910 CactusJack911 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:48:35 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-374910 What is all the babble on this discussion anyway? Conservative Judaism isn't Authentic Judaism. Anyone that says it is obviously has never had any intelligent Torah teachers or any serious study. Have fun boasting your high intermarriage rate and scarfing down your trife! Stop reading your comic books and start trying to realize why it isn't. To the guy who said this is all about "politics". You apparently have no clue what you're ranting on about--how's your girlfriend Bridgette doing? What is all the babble on this discussion anyway?

Conservative Judaism isn’t Authentic Judaism. Anyone that says it is obviously has never had any intelligent Torah teachers or any serious study. Have fun boasting your high intermarriage rate and scarfing down your trife!

Stop reading your comic books and start trying to realize why it isn’t.

To the guy who said this is all about “politics”. You apparently have no clue what you’re ranting on about–how’s your girlfriend Bridgette doing?

]]> By: CactusJack911 http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-372559 CactusJack911 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:47:03 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-372559 Yes, because like the Christians and the Musllims I actually believe Hashem spoke to the Jews at Sinai. Funny how it's 90% of Jews like you that don't. How's that ham and cheese sandwhich today? Yes, because like the Christians and the Musllims I actually believe Hashem spoke to the Jews at Sinai.

Funny how it’s 90% of Jews like you that don’t. How’s that ham and cheese sandwhich today?

]]> By: invisible_hand http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-372508 invisible_hand Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:45:36 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-372508 cactus jack - that was a hateful, disgusting thing to say. i also feel sorry for those jews who are pandered to so they do not ever learn the real truth of their religion and are instead force-fed and deluded by fundamentalism and scriptural literalism. it is because of jews like you that i despair. ~invisible cactus jack – that was a hateful, disgusting thing to say.
i also feel sorry for those jews who are pandered to so they do not ever learn the real truth of their religion and are instead force-fed and deluded by fundamentalism and scriptural literalism. it is because of jews like you that i despair.
~invisible

]]> By: CactusJack911 http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-352222 CactusJack911 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:55:16 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-352222 Conservative Converts are Goys that think they are Jewish. There is only one type of conversion. I feel bad for those that have been mislead by their Reform and Conservative rabbis for lying to them. Conservative Converts are Goys that think they are Jewish. There is only one type of conversion. I feel bad for those that have been mislead by their Reform and Conservative rabbis for lying to them.

]]> By: justayid http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-315072 justayid Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:26:19 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-315072 with respect to C Judaism in practice not following up to C Judaism in theory. Yes, thats a real problem, we have masses of ordinary people, of all origins, who pick a C shul cause its comfortable or popular, but who arent real committed to C ideology. You dont find folks like that in Reconstructionist shuls for the most part. Not cause Recon is more deeply inspiring - its simply a sociological fact, people only join recon shuls if theyre really interested in the ideology. We have the masses of Am Israel to deal with. One can leave for a tiny shul or chavurah and be with a Jewish elite, or one can stay and try to lead the masses. I dont know which is best. I do know that if C and R judaism disappeared tomorrow, the mass of Jews, would either leave Judaism, or would join O shuls, and present the same problem at O shuls. In fact at many modern O shuls, the ones that havent drifted off to the right, they DO present that problem. In fact many of them CAME from O a generation or more ago, where they presented the same problem. My daughter is in a confirmation class, and so are several of her friends. But most of the Bar/bat Mitzvah class didnt go on. I can see the seperation between the committed elite and the drifting mass right there. I dont know the solution to inspire the drifting mass - many of those people dont share my values. But I can tell you that having my shul turn Orthodox wouldnt solve the problem. And it would create other problems for me and my family. with respect to C Judaism in practice not following up to C Judaism in theory.

Yes, thats a real problem, we have masses of ordinary people, of all origins, who pick a C shul cause its comfortable or popular, but who arent real committed to C ideology.

You dont find folks like that in Reconstructionist shuls for the most part. Not cause Recon is more deeply inspiring – its simply a sociological fact, people only join recon shuls if theyre really interested in the ideology. We have the masses of Am Israel to deal with. One can leave for a tiny shul or chavurah and be with a Jewish elite, or one can stay and try to lead the masses. I dont know which is best.

I do know that if C and R judaism disappeared tomorrow, the mass of Jews, would either leave Judaism, or would join O shuls, and present the same problem at O shuls. In fact at many modern O shuls, the ones that havent drifted off to the right, they DO present that problem. In fact many of them CAME from O a generation or more ago, where they presented the same problem.

My daughter is in a confirmation class, and so are several of her friends. But most of the Bar/bat Mitzvah class didnt go on. I can see the seperation between the committed elite and the drifting mass right there. I dont know the solution to inspire the drifting mass – many of those people dont share my values. But I can tell you that having my shul turn Orthodox wouldnt solve the problem. And it would create other problems for me and my family.

]]> By: Michael http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-309646 Michael Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:51:03 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-309646 Conservative, Reform, and whatever other movements are disgusting and very harmful to individual Jews and the Jewish people. And no, I'm not an orthodox Jew. I'm actually a first generation Russian Jew. My parents used ot be secular, and my mother still is (my father became religious). When I go to synagogue, even though I don't know the difference between the tanakh and the gemara, I go to a modern-orthodox synagogue because I don't want to listen to rabbi rachel talk about intemarriage on a microphone during shabbas, lol. Conservative, Reform, and whatever other movements are disgusting and very harmful to individual Jews and the Jewish people. And no, I’m not an orthodox Jew. I’m actually a first generation Russian Jew. My parents used ot be secular, and my mother still is (my father became religious). When I go to synagogue, even though I don’t know the difference between the tanakh and the gemara, I go to a modern-orthodox synagogue because I don’t want to listen to rabbi rachel talk about intemarriage on a microphone during shabbas, lol.

]]> By: Jewlicious » Cultural Zeitgeist http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-179311 Jewlicious » Cultural Zeitgeist Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:32:18 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-179311 [...] Oh well… at least we did win some JIB awards! I know it’s late but, better late than never. What did we win? Uh… 3rd Best Designed Blog (behind Jewschool and the stunning Cross-Currents - I guess blue and brown do go together!), Best Series for our Hate Site of the Weak series, 2nd Best Post for our post on Conservative Judaism post, Best Jewish Culture Blog (which really belongs to the Yadda Blog), 2nd Best Israel Advocacy Blog (behind Little Green Footballs) and 2nd best Group Blog. Lessons learnt? Vote shnorring is undignified, some bloggers are ridiculous. But just to show there are no hard feelings, we’ll re-post the press release put out by one victorious blog crew’s PR Agency announcing their victory. That’s right. A press release and a PR agency. OK so no one (but us) actually reproduced the press release. But what the hell - to the victors go the spoils! [...] [...] Oh well… at least we did win some JIB awards! I know it’s late but, better late than never. What did we win? Uh… 3rd Best Designed Blog (behind Jewschool and the stunning Cross-Currents – I guess blue and brown do go together!), Best Series for our Hate Site of the Weak series, 2nd Best Post for our post on Conservative Judaism post, Best Jewish Culture Blog (which really belongs to the Yadda Blog), 2nd Best Israel Advocacy Blog (behind Little Green Footballs) and 2nd best Group Blog. Lessons learnt? Vote shnorring is undignified, some bloggers are ridiculous. But just to show there are no hard feelings, we’ll re-post the press release put out by one victorious blog crew’s PR Agency announcing their victory. That’s right. A press release and a PR agency. OK so no one (but us) actually reproduced the press release. But what the hell – to the victors go the spoils! [...]

]]> By: a.d. http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-171017 a.d. Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:13:35 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-171017 My last comment was in response to Laya. I have no beef with Shira's plea for tolerance and compassion. My last comment was in response to Laya. I have no beef with Shira’s plea for tolerance and compassion.

]]> By: a.d. http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/06/conservative-judaism/#comment-171016 a.d. Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:09:12 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1152#comment-171016 I see what you're saying, and I think that's a completely legitimate attitude. But I think that's not the only legitimate view. There's a lot to be said for a more self-assertive stance. It's more intellectually coherent, for one thing. It also recognizes the danger of millions or even billions of religious adherents with negative ideas about non-adherents (especially Jews) that have deeps roots in their faiths. It also makes it possible to bring the world closer to the vision of the prophets: a world without war, united through belief in one God. Of course it's also dangerous. People get assassinated for saying the wrong thing about certain religions. People could take it the wrong way, if it's not done in a charitable, respectful, non-fundamentalist way. But as with the Reverend above, I think it's common for adherents of other faiths to be puzzled why Jews don't make the case for their faith. I see what you’re saying, and I think that’s a completely legitimate attitude. But I think that’s not the only legitimate view. There’s a lot to be said for a more self-assertive stance. It’s more intellectually coherent, for one thing. It also recognizes the danger of millions or even billions of religious adherents with negative ideas about non-adherents (especially Jews) that have deeps roots in their faiths. It also makes it possible to bring the world closer to the vision of the prophets: a world without war, united through belief in one God.

Of course it’s also dangerous. People get assassinated for saying the wrong thing about certain religions. People could take it the wrong way, if it’s not done in a charitable, respectful, non-fundamentalist way. But as with the Reverend above, I think it’s common for adherents of other faiths to be puzzled why Jews don’t make the case for their faith.

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