Comments on: Hummus: Potentially Trayf?

By: Jessy Hollenbach

Jessy Hollenbach — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:34:23 +0000

I love God and God is not a girl it’s a boy. So get it in your head you sexy bitch!

By: Jessa Hollenbach

Jessa Hollenbach — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:32:45 +0000

I really enjoy this website. I like the different comments!

By: Frieda Shor

Frieda Shor — Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:53:04 +0000

Sigh. It’s a tough life being ingenious(and delusional).

By: themiddle

themiddle — Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:47:27 +0000

Frieda is indeed wise.

By: Jobber

Jobber — Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:11:04 +0000

Yubad Freda.

By: Frieda Shor

Frieda Shor — Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:30:08 +0000

In my humble opinion, the only reason why chummus–and any derivative of the Bean Mishpacha (sorry, all you Beanie babies, all those kippot–u r excluded)should be considered hands-off and treif–is because of the number or symphony shall we say, that they orchestrate in the digestional tract. “Nuf Said.

By: Jobber

Jobber — Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:38:19 +0000

but Josh w/ all due respect, you have to accept the premise that the cook can be a non Jew, let us say a graduate of the finest cooking schools in France, but you can’t eat what he/she prepares, unless some Jew started the fire first. This is rational to you? And at the same time, the Orth. families have live in’s and again she can’t light the stove, but she can bring up their children, that is OK w/ you?

By: josh

josh — Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:03:21 +0000

tm,
I’m the first one to say that rabbis are not ‘untouchables’. You can criticize rabbis, but don’t you think that you should approach with criticism that is more informed so you don’t look like a turkey banking on populism? What about actually knowing the real story and not picking it up from some goyish wire service that picked it up from some secular [ignorant] Israeli media outlet that couldn’t care less for the actual details beyond the sensationalism of the story.

jobber,
I’m sorry if this comes down to judaism/jewish people being cool or not. I used to be like you. I wasted almost a decade on the ‘that’s not cool enough for me’ and ‘that rabbi is too extremist’ issues, until I internalized that I couldn’t care what people say about my Judaism anymore and went deeper despite of them. If you’re looking for ‘cool’, try kabballah, Islam, or scientolgy. They are ‘in’. Meanwhile, I’ve long since started wearing tzizit, and occasionally wear them outside too. I don’t apologize if that pisses you off.

I spoke recently with someone a bit more informed on American Jewry. He told me that the reform movement is now realizing that they might be going to far, and that they should try to come back to ‘traditional’ Judaism just a bit. I hope it’s not too late.

By: jobber

jobber — Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:03:53 +0000

This is why Judaism can never be cool. It can be exclusive, exotic, special, but never cool. Just about any religion for that matter. This one is a bit more involved w/ the society at large, due probably bec. of persecution in the first place. Altho this one was to try and thwart intermarriage.
But nowadays, most of Jewry would be accepting of intermarriage, the old anger is a goner. So this law, really should be shelved, I mean, the loopholes that are created so that the wealthy class can have their nannies and butlers. Even tho the debate would pit the Trasitionalists vs. the Rationalists. Don’t forget that the higher cost of Kosher is borne harder by the lower classes… But they usually are too muddled, apiring for higher well being, so often only seeing the debate in it’s typical dogma vs. dogma mode.

Revolt of the masses via blogging?

By: Netsach Shebe Netsach

Netsach Shebe Netsach — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:21:35 +0000

How is this for another example of health vs.
Kashrut. Israeli’s love of for Palm oil….that stuff is in all Bissley, parave ice creams etc…. its ubiquitous….Palm oil is just about as healthy as Coconut oil, almost as much cholesterol and hydrogenated oils…. Yet of course, often the Palm oil laden product comes with the best shebe best hekshers Israeli money can buy…

In youre place you can do what you want if youre the boss. I have choice what I put into my mouth. If this is the best you can deal with in terms of youre personal Kashrut, Who is getting in youre face? I am sorry if I won’t eat there… Actually I don’t keep everybody’s chumrahs. Maybe I would eat there. However, I wouldn’t be so mean spirited to harp against those who keep some of those crazy mushagissims….
I don’t see anyone here knocking those who can’t or don’t keep kashrut at such strict levels. Okay, lots of people who work hard at keeping kosher dont’ keep those levels.
So what?
Who in the hell is denying that?
….Who is causing seperation of communities? What is the difficulty in accomadating different kashrut issues?
You can’t please everyone… Who says one
standard has to work for everybody?

By: judi

judi — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:12:33 +0000

“What I am trying to figure out is the hostility leveled againt those who seek the added refinement of taking on extra strictness in their kashrut.”

As I see it, this is a problem because it causes separation in Jewish communities. Before you come to lunch, you should ask what kind of hummus might be served? That’s ridiculous! As if I’d buy treif hummus, C”S. (Besides, aren’t there halachic mechanisms in place to discern between food that is cooked especially for one person vs. food that is prepared in a factory for mass consumption?)

Look, hechshers are supposed to reflect a community’s acceptance of what is okay to consume. If it’s got legitimate supervision, we’re supposed to accept it! We’re not supposed to say that agency X’s cereal is fine, but not their hummus, because that would indicate that there are problems with what agency X considers okay to give hashgacha. (I have similar issues with chalav stam with hashgacha vs. chalav Yisroel, but let’s not go there…).

Fortunately, this issue has little to do with me, because as a C-Jew, I am free to eat foods that are merely strictly kosher.

By: Netsach Shebe Netsach

Netsach Shebe Netsach — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:56:41 +0000

Yeah Wired witch,

A lot of oils are sick shebe sick.
Example Cottonseed oil… much of cottonseed is actually poisonous. Yet, cottonseed oil is kosher shebe kosher with the best hekshers this side of Chumrah land, especially for Pessach.
What I am trying to figure out is the hostility leveled againt those who seek the added refinement of taking on extra strictness in their kashrut. I don’t care to get into my personal Chumrahs and other mushagassims that I have been brainwashed with; after all, such unreasonbable closed minded, arogant jew hating, Baal Tchuvah Mother hating, Sinat Chinam are a product of my own inability to think on my own, RIGHT?

By: wiredwitch

wiredwitch — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:06:17 +0000

So one of the most horrible substances on the planet (hydrogenated oil) is kosher — but hummus? Get real. How about a little common sense?

By: themiddle

themiddle — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:02:53 +0000

I don’t know what the rabbis say to each other. I don’t even know whether this rabbi is right about hummous or not (nor do I care). Josh told us to dump our talmuds and torahs because we “have a thing” with discrediting great rabbis. I’m pointing out that great rabbis make mistakes and sometimes they use their influence to harm rather than help. No, I’m not talking about hummous, but about the disengagement.

By: ybocher

ybocher — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:57:10 +0000

ok, yes only G-d can jugde … and therefore what? we shud disregard the preceived tzidkus that is perceived by ppl? yeah rabbis can be wrong and so what so can i and you. but since they are very learned in torah so maybe at least there give them some credit of confidence, no? they dont say to each other when they disagree – u only human therefore u most probably wrong.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:47:53 +0000

How was that defensive? I can think of numerous responses that might be defensive or offensive, but all I suggested was that it’s okay to say a rabbi is wrong.

By the way, only god, presumably, can judge whether somebody is a tzaddik.

By: ybocher

ybocher — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:48:34 +0000

tm why so defensive? josh didnt say u cant critisize the rabbi. he just says there are other things u can do w/them besides critisizing – for example geting to know them.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:03:07 +0000

Now, now Josh, no need to throw out anything just because of a little hummous controversy.

On the other hand, destroying a country because of a disengagement from Gaza…

I have news for you. Even great rabbis can be wrong, they can be criticized, and their mistakes can be pointed out. They’re people, Josh, not prophets or gods or angels. That’s the beauty of our faith, you have an unseen uncommunicative God, and a whole bunch of seen and communicative people trying to figure out whether to cook the tahini or not.

By: josh

josh — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:32:50 +0000

jobber,
what’s embarrassing? That a wire service like Associated Press is discussing halachic issues, and quite ignorantly too? Yeah, I agree. The media is full of ignorant lazy people who you can’t even define as journalists anymore, let alone ‘reporters’.

middle and ck,
if you have a copy of the talmud at home, throw it in the garbage. Then go to your synagogue and burn all their copies too. This sesame seed issue is not new, it was discussed there as well apparently.

Then you can throw out your torah too. That place talks about a bunch of other ‘embarrassing’ things. Hundreds if you bother to read it carefully.

What’s your thing with Rabbis anyhow? I’m sorry that you find it so easy to discredit great Rabbis like Harav Mordechai Eliyahu and that you’ve never had a chance to speak with real tzadikkim before. Could you add a chat with someone who really knows Judaism to the itinerary of your next Jewlicious trip.

By: Grace

Grace — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:38:41 +0000

I can see the problem with the tahina, though. I mean, my rav is pretty strict. If the food in question is heated over a fire, it has to be supervised by a Jew somewhere along the process. How hard is it to find a Jew to insure that the process is kosher?