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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146431</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, I don&#039;t know that my beliefs serve any point - I believe what I believe. 

I do think that I represent a large, silent segment of the population. It just so happens that the vocal ones tend to be on the extremes.

There used to be a time when most of us used to believe in peace and peace was the hope and dream of most Israelis and their supporters around the world. It&#039;s true that the years have made us all less naive and far more cynical. Myths have been shattered and we have watched a hoped for peace come and go. But if you think about most people&#039;s intentions not that long ago, you realize that if nothing else they were good intentions and worthy of admiration. We wanted peace. 

These feelings don&#039;t belong to the Right with their belief in interminable war, or the Left with their blindness to and excuses for the evil of Israel&#039;s enemies. They belong to those of us in the center. Those who see clearly that ideology is not the solution but pragmatism and a clear-headed view of our situation are going to bring us closer to a solution and much sooner. 

At least that&#039;s what I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I don&#8217;t know that my beliefs serve any point &#8211; I believe what I believe. </p>
<p>I do think that I represent a large, silent segment of the population. It just so happens that the vocal ones tend to be on the extremes.</p>
<p>There used to be a time when most of us used to believe in peace and peace was the hope and dream of most Israelis and their supporters around the world. It&#8217;s true that the years have made us all less naive and far more cynical. Myths have been shattered and we have watched a hoped for peace come and go. But if you think about most people&#8217;s intentions not that long ago, you realize that if nothing else they were good intentions and worthy of admiration. We wanted peace. </p>
<p>These feelings don&#8217;t belong to the Right with their belief in interminable war, or the Left with their blindness to and excuses for the evil of Israel&#8217;s enemies. They belong to those of us in the center. Those who see clearly that ideology is not the solution but pragmatism and a clear-headed view of our situation are going to bring us closer to a solution and much sooner. </p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s what I think.</p>
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		<title>By: esther</title>
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		<dc:creator>esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not kidding. Maybe there&#039;s a honeymoon suite for them at Beit Jewlicious. I&#039;m actually proud of them, embracing the spirit of the aseret y&#039;mei non-insulting and coming to terms with differences like they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not kidding. Maybe there&#8217;s a honeymoon suite for them at Beit Jewlicious. I&#8217;m actually proud of them, embracing the spirit of the aseret y&#8217;mei non-insulting and coming to terms with differences like they have.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146426</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the middle and mobius need to get a room ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the middle and mobius need to get a room &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alexbmn</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146425</link>
		<dc:creator>alexbmn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so I ask you TM what point does your middleness serve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so I ask you TM what point does your middleness serve?</p>
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		<title>By: bechira</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146417</link>
		<dc:creator>bechira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Youssef&#039;s comments inspire a great idea:  We should absorb the Palestinians - into the atmosphere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Youssef&#8217;s comments inspire a great idea:  We should absorb the Palestinians &#8211; into the atmosphere!</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146408</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobius, I not only forgive you wholeheartedly, but also ask for your forgiveness if I&#039;ve caused offense.

However, the little things that drive you batty...I have a feeling they ain&#039;t coming to a stop because our views on certain issues, uh, diverge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobius, I not only forgive you wholeheartedly, but also ask for your forgiveness if I&#8217;ve caused offense.</p>
<p>However, the little things that drive you batty&#8230;I have a feeling they ain&#8217;t coming to a stop because our views on certain issues, uh, diverge.</p>
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		<title>By: mobius</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146407</link>
		<dc:creator>mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>certainly not.  mr. middle, can you forgive me for all my ill-tempered responses to the things you save which drive me batty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>certainly not.  mr. middle, can you forgive me for all my ill-tempered responses to the things you save which drive me batty?</p>
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		<title>By: Ephraim</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146405</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephraim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that letter. If that Paleo guy really believes he is a &quot;moderate&quot;, there&#039;s trouble in River City, &lt;i&gt;mein fruende&lt;/i&gt;.

I say let&#039;s give a rat&#039;s ass about the Paleostinian &quot;narrative&quot; when they give a rat&#039;s ass about the Jewish narrative.

Until then, &lt;i&gt;bupkes&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that letter. If that Paleo guy really believes he is a &#8220;moderate&#8221;, there&#8217;s trouble in River City, <i>mein fruende</i>.</p>
<p>I say let&#8217;s give a rat&#8217;s ass about the Paleostinian &#8220;narrative&#8221; when they give a rat&#8217;s ass about the Jewish narrative.</p>
<p>Until then, <i>bupkes</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146401</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, now, Mobius, is that any way to speak to me during the Days of Awe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now, Mobius, is that any way to speak to me during the Days of Awe?</p>
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		<title>By: mobius</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146393</link>
		<dc:creator>mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, my point was that if they were as big as dicks as you are, i&#039;d join kach.  but alas... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onastick.com/website/peanut/pics/peanutpic.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nyeeeeeeow!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, my point was that if they were as big as dicks as you are, i&#8217;d join kach.  but alas&#8230; <a href="http://www.onastick.com/website/peanut/pics/peanutpic.gif" rel="nofollow">nyeeeeeeow!</a></p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146381</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;oooooooh now who’s captain hypersensitive? i was merely joking my little middle. &lt;/i&gt;

Translation:  &quot;Damn, that was a fine comment where he really stuck it to me and I have no retort. Where is that Kach registration form again? Oh there it is, next to the Chomsky book and the Progressive, Liberal, Feminist, Anarchist pro-Palestinian Manifesto.&quot;


;)  Shana tova, Mobius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>oooooooh now who’s captain hypersensitive? i was merely joking my little middle. </i></p>
<p>Translation:  &#8220;Damn, that was a fine comment where he really stuck it to me and I have no retort. Where is that Kach registration form again? Oh there it is, next to the Chomsky book and the Progressive, Liberal, Feminist, Anarchist pro-Palestinian Manifesto.&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Shana tova, Mobius.</p>
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		<title>By: mobius</title>
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		<dc:creator>mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooooooh now who&#039;s captain hypersensitive?  i was merely joking my little middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooooooh now who&#8217;s captain hypersensitive?  i was merely joking my little middle.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146375</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobi, let&#039;s plumb your reasoning a bit, shall we?

I presume you mean that if &quot;the Palestinians&quot; were as &quot;moderate&quot; as I am, then they wouldn&#039;t be moderates and your reaction would be to take an extreme Right wing position because they would deserve that type of harsh response. Right?

Okay, so let&#039;s just hit on some of the basics. I am for a two state solution and the Palestinian right to self determination.

Are most Palestinians for a true two state solution? I&#039;m not talking about one where they dream of overwhelming Israeli politics with larger demographics, but a true two state solution?

I am opposed to any bloodshed, believe that any Palestinian casualties or deaths should be minimized, and targeted killings should be directed only at terrorists while attempting to minimize any collateral casualties - to the point where I say send in a fighting force to do it but don&#039;t kill from the air where the odds of harm to bystanders is greater.

During the height of this war, in 2002, when an orgy of killing murdered 128 Israelis in one month, Palestinian pollsters showed over 70% public support for these suicide attacks targeting Israeli civilians. Even now that number hovers at about 50%.

I consider most Palestinians to be people just like any other, with a right to worship as they would prefer, and a right to live as free people under their own Palestinian government. I accept that whether or not they did or did not have ties to the area in 1948, many did have ties, most recognize themselves as a nation today and as such any peace deal needs to accord to them contiguous land sufficient for a state, the right to worship where and how they&#039;d like, ongoing access to Jerusalem holy sites and control over their mosques and relevant churches.

Is that what most Palestinians believe the Jews should have? Have you seen what they say in their textbooks, on their tv programming, and in their leaders&#039; speeches? How did they treat our religious sites just now in Gaza? How did they treat them historically? The two key parties to receive votes in recent elections have charters that negate Jewish ties to the region, rights to live there, and one of them goes so far as to use the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a source for their ideology. 

So guess what, my little Mobius, you should be heading right over to your nearest Kach office. By the way, when you join, expect me to treat you like the extremist you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobi, let&#8217;s plumb your reasoning a bit, shall we?</p>
<p>I presume you mean that if &#8220;the Palestinians&#8221; were as &#8220;moderate&#8221; as I am, then they wouldn&#8217;t be moderates and your reaction would be to take an extreme Right wing position because they would deserve that type of harsh response. Right?</p>
<p>Okay, so let&#8217;s just hit on some of the basics. I am for a two state solution and the Palestinian right to self determination.</p>
<p>Are most Palestinians for a true two state solution? I&#8217;m not talking about one where they dream of overwhelming Israeli politics with larger demographics, but a true two state solution?</p>
<p>I am opposed to any bloodshed, believe that any Palestinian casualties or deaths should be minimized, and targeted killings should be directed only at terrorists while attempting to minimize any collateral casualties &#8211; to the point where I say send in a fighting force to do it but don&#8217;t kill from the air where the odds of harm to bystanders is greater.</p>
<p>During the height of this war, in 2002, when an orgy of killing murdered 128 Israelis in one month, Palestinian pollsters showed over 70% public support for these suicide attacks targeting Israeli civilians. Even now that number hovers at about 50%.</p>
<p>I consider most Palestinians to be people just like any other, with a right to worship as they would prefer, and a right to live as free people under their own Palestinian government. I accept that whether or not they did or did not have ties to the area in 1948, many did have ties, most recognize themselves as a nation today and as such any peace deal needs to accord to them contiguous land sufficient for a state, the right to worship where and how they&#8217;d like, ongoing access to Jerusalem holy sites and control over their mosques and relevant churches.</p>
<p>Is that what most Palestinians believe the Jews should have? Have you seen what they say in their textbooks, on their tv programming, and in their leaders&#8217; speeches? How did they treat our religious sites just now in Gaza? How did they treat them historically? The two key parties to receive votes in recent elections have charters that negate Jewish ties to the region, rights to live there, and one of them goes so far as to use the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a source for their ideology. </p>
<p>So guess what, my little Mobius, you should be heading right over to your nearest Kach office. By the way, when you join, expect me to treat you like the extremist you are.</p>
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		<title>By: mobius</title>
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		<dc:creator>mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the palestinians were like the middle i&#039;d join kach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the palestinians were like the middle i&#8217;d join kach</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146343</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am singular and completely unclonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am singular and completely unclonable.</p>
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		<title>By: laya</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/10/seeking-the-palestinian-moderate/#comment-146341</link>
		<dc:creator>laya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a palestinian moderate? you mean...like a palestinian themiddle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a palestinian moderate? you mean&#8230;like a palestinian themiddle?</p>
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