Comments on: Tookie and Tshuvah

By: Aw

Aw — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:43:15 +0000

It is a good thing he is dead I feel kinda bad for him though but in the other hand I feel good about it
you want to know why it is because he co founded the crips
he killed people
what kind of a sick person does something liek that he was a sick man!
I am sorry if my opinion upsets anyone but that is wut I think

By: ck

ck — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:45:13 +0000

Yeah whatever. American “justice” maybe. No Sanhedrin would have ever put him to death. RIP Tookie – here’s hoping the families of his victims find some closure with his death. But somehow, I doubt it.

By: The Observer

The Observer — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:05:53 +0000

It’s over. The man paid the ultimate price for the ultimate crime. Justice has been served.
He was guilty and had been proven so mutiple times through appeal courts, both with witness testimony and forensic evidence.
Next!

By: Carrot Top

Carrot Top — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:03:14 +0000

I want to tickel that mofo with my orange pubes!

By: ck

ck — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:24:25 +0000

Of course there is TM! Judaism REQUIRES you to kill one who is coming to kill you – this person is called a rodeph and not killing him or her is a sin. This is akin to self defense and no doubt justifies pre-emptive strikes against known terrorists. This sanction is carried out by the person or people involved and does not need the intervention of a Sanhedrin. As such, killing a rodeph is not considered capital punisshment.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:05:06 +0000

I dunno, ck, you and I both agree that targeted killings are well deserved. We both know that often, the killing takes place when the individual is a “ticking” threat. We also both know that often the individual is someone who has been involved in previous attacks and will likely be involved in future attacks. What role does that play in terms of Jewish thinking about capital punishment? Is there an exception for terrorists?

By: ck

ck — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:34:17 +0000

alexbmn: re eichmann – You know, the crimes committed during the holocaust were so unprecedented that new words had to be created to describe the extent of the evil involved. Words like Holocaust and genocide for instance. The crimes committed by the nazis were not only witnessed by thousands but they were also extremely well documented. I have no problem with capital punishment for nazis.

Michaelk: your interpretation of an eye for an eye… is a little simplistic. ie if I was negligent and caused you to lose an eye, the sanhedrin did not gouge your eye out! They made you pay the value of the eye in damages. Judaism allows for capital punishment but rarely applies it – once in seven, some say 70, years was considered too much.

By: ofri

ofri — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:57:56 +0000

is that Gandhi too?

By: alexbmn

alexbmn — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:54:52 +0000

Ofri how about this one ” If this is the house of Pancakes why can’t I eat the walls?”

By: alexbmn

alexbmn — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:52:22 +0000

hey OJ is walking free , what about that? how about some of that imperfection?

By: alexbmn

alexbmn — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:50:43 +0000

ok ok CK ADOLF EICHMAN? What, you would have waited for him to write some children’s books or maybe even donate some money to Israel or maybe even say that killing people is wrong and all would be beautiful.Or in that case it was alright? But if life is sacred and has inherent value and destroying one life is like destoying an entire world then killing four isnt too different from killing a million

By: ofri

ofri — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:08:03 +0000

“an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.”

By: Michael K

Michael K — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:42:36 +0000

Hmm, I’ll give you that point, it certainly isn’t perfect.

As for the Jewish position, I can’t quote torah verses, but what of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”? It may sound barbaric, but sometimes, simplicity rules the day.

By: ck

ck — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:09:45 +0000

Michael K: First you herald the importance of the “inner workings of the American legal system” and then you conveniently cast aside as irrelevant any issues that demonstrate its imperfection and unfairness. Life behind bars with no chance of parole is a very harsh punishment, don’t kid yourself. Besides, this blog is called Jewlicious and the Jewish position on capital punishment is very clear. A nearly perfect justice system is required for the administration of capital punishment. The justice system in the US, particularly its administration of capital punishment, is far from perfect. Therein lies my opposition to it.

By: Michael K

Michael K — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:40:39 +0000

That’s why lethal injection is painless. Read up on the process. It’s why they prefer it to “old sparky”, as they affectionately named some electric chairs. I could hardly care less what the statistics say. He killed 4 people, watched them die, and even joked about the gurgling sounds the dying 7-11 clerk was making, he faked mental illness during the trial, and on top of it all, he has NEVER admitted guilt nor sought forgiveness from the families of his victims. He has shown no remorse, and therefore deserves no vindication and acclamation as this great saviour of children. He’s doubtlessly killed more in his time as the leader of the Crips than he’s saved with his little “talks” and books.

He has unfortunately become the cause celebre of the black community, who once again pull out the race card without cause. Had this been a kangaroo court that convicted him out of malice and prejudice, I’d be standing up along side you protesting this execution. But this is not the case, nor has there been any evidence to show he’s learned anything from his time behind bars. Let him be a martyr to his cause. He doesn’t deserve a stay of execution.

You believe that barbaric regimes prescribe the death penalty; I advocate that if you are willing to take a man’s life into your hands and snuff it out for kicks, you deserve whatever fate awaits you. Ignorance is not bliss.

By: taltman

taltman — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:08:07 +0000

ck wrote: Its barbaric and needs loads of reform.

Ya see, there ck goes again bagging on liberal Judaism…

By: ck

ck — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:49:10 +0000

Michael K: I dare say I've read everything there is online about my "beloved Tookie." I've seen the photos of his victims and I am well acquainted with the details of his case. Some might say I am also possessed of a more than passing familiarity with legal issues in general. The statistic I hastily cited noted that since 1977, 80% of executions involved crimes where white people were murdered (according to this Amnesty International Report). This despite the fact that blacks and whites were victims of murder in almost equal numbers. We could debate this issue ad nauseum but it is clear to anyone with even a passing familliarity with the administration of capital punishment in the US, that the system is far from perfect. Consequently, my position is that I am opposed to capital punishment as it is currently administered. This is a position I share with no less than Rabbi Akiba and Rabbi Tarfon who stated: "Had we been in the Sanhedrin none would ever have been put to death" (Mishnah, Makkot 1:10). Judaism supports the death penalty of course, but only in very specific cases and under very strict circumstances such that it is almost impossible to administer. MichaelK wrote: He deserves to die in the most painful way possible for cruelly and unnecessarily ending the lives of 4 people on a whim. He certainly deserves to be punished. Only the most barbaric regimes proscribe death by torture. I would tell you to read up a bit more on the subject but your tone indicates a bloodlust that no amount of reason can quench.

By: Michael K

Michael K — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:42:19 +0000

I’m amazed, really. Ofri, this guy contributed greatly to murder and mayhem in founding the group. The excuse that “there was violence before” is just plain stupid; that would be tantamount to excusing all crime, because “there was violence before”… As for your comment ck, that lack of any conscious thought in your post demonstrates a complete ignorance on your part of the details of the case, let alone the inner workings of the American legal system. Just read about your beloved Tookie in this article: michellemalkin.... He murdered an unarmed 7-11 clerk, a kid, while he was unarmed and lying down on the floor.

It’s disgusting that people are so willing to let time wash away the effects of what he’s done. He deserves to die in the most painful way possible for cruelly and unnecessarily ending the lives of 4 people on a whim.

Next time you post a useless comment like killing a particular group made him “4 times more likely… to get the death penalty”, post some proof, rather than relying on tired liberal pathos. Not every jailed black is Hurricane Carter and worth saving.

By: ofri

ofri — Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:45:34 +0000

oriental is not a pc term. people are asian, rugs are oriental.

By: ck

ck — Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:31:09 +0000

His victims were white and ~~oriental~~ asian, making it 4 times more likely that he'd get the death penalty. Whatever. I oppose the death penalty regardless. Its barbaric and needs loads of reform.