Comments on: The Passion of The Jews! http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ruby K http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-161997 Ruby K Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:08:00 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-161997 Oh, I hate him. Just because he corrected "un-Jew-ish" but neglected his biggest grammar mistake, using whacked instead of wack. Also, he's wack. Oh, I hate him. Just because he corrected “un-Jew-ish” but neglected his biggest grammar mistake, using whacked instead of wack.

Also, he’s wack.

]]> By: sarah http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-161938 sarah Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:10:08 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-161938 Hey wake up JEWS! Read ISAIAH chapter 9. All these pictures that u made is develish and no doubt about that. You think you are doing good for G-d sakes but its sick spirutally and logically. Hey wake up JEWS! Read ISAIAH chapter 9. All these pictures that u made is develish and no doubt about that. You think you are doing good for G-d sakes but its sick spirutally and logically.

]]> By: grandmuffti http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160684 grandmuffti Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:29:09 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160684 Amen, Jim R. It's so funny to see members of religious groups look at other ones and then snicker going 'yeah, like THEY have a likely story!' :) Amen, Jim R. It’s so funny to see members of religious groups look at other ones and then snicker going ‘yeah, like THEY have a likely story!’ :)

]]> By: Jim R http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160669 Jim R Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:03:25 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160669 "First of all your christian myths are neither science nor history. Your entire religion is based on magic and superstition." May I edit your statement slightly Kley so it can apply more universally? All religions are mostly myths, no science, some ancient history, and rely on magic and superstition for proofs. I never cease to be amazed, and entertained, by all the truly intellectual energy that goes into 'proofing' something that cannot be. It's called 'faith' guys, not 'fact'. It's not worth hate and discontent. I would add, the Jewish religion is one, if not the only one, that doesn't seem to need to convert/convince others to reinforce its validity. A sign of self confidence. BTW Kley, the protest-ants separated from the catholics because of gross abuse of the flock by the catholic Royalty in Rome, as preached by Martin Luther. It is my understanding Christians separated from the Jewish religion for abuses of the flock by the Royalty in Jerusalem, as preached by Jesus. Martin Luther came very close to getting the same 'priestly' treatment as Jesus....uh, on second thought, I believe civilization had advanced to to a more humane burned instead of nailed to a stake. Now it is a quick death by your neighbors bomb. Progress. “First of all your christian myths are neither science nor history. Your entire religion is based on magic and superstition.”

May I edit your statement slightly Kley so it can apply more universally? All religions are mostly myths, no science, some ancient history, and rely on magic and superstition for proofs.

I never cease to be amazed, and entertained, by all the truly intellectual energy that goes into ‘proofing’ something that cannot be. It’s called ‘faith’ guys, not ‘fact’. It’s not worth hate and discontent.

I would add, the Jewish religion is one, if not the only one, that doesn’t seem to need to convert/convince others to reinforce its validity. A sign of self confidence.

BTW Kley, the protest-ants separated from the catholics because of gross abuse of the flock by the catholic Royalty in Rome, as preached by Martin Luther. It is my understanding Christians separated from the Jewish religion for abuses of the flock by the Royalty in Jerusalem, as preached by Jesus.

Martin Luther came very close to getting the same ‘priestly’ treatment as Jesus….uh, on second thought, I believe civilization had advanced to to a more humane burned instead of nailed to a stake. Now it is a quick death by your neighbors bomb. Progress.

]]> By: grandmuffti http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160563 grandmuffti Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:57:28 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160563 Muffti doesn't hate Aviad. Who cares if the guy makes crappy music and tries to convert people to what may be the world's most ill-founded religion? Who cares if he was partly responsible for a rip-off of the jewschool logo that didn't stay up very long (sorry, Mob, but Muffti just can't get himself all excited about the issue)? It strikes Muffti as nothing more than mass insecurity to consider Aviad a threat to anything or anybody. Why any of you are getting so worked up about mr. makes-shitty-religious-music is well beyond Muffti's comprehension. Muffti doesn’t hate Aviad. Who cares if the guy makes crappy music and tries to convert people to what may be the world’s most ill-founded religion? Who cares if he was partly responsible for a rip-off of the jewschool logo that didn’t stay up very long (sorry, Mob, but Muffti just can’t get himself all excited about the issue)? It strikes Muffti as nothing more than mass insecurity to consider Aviad a threat to anything or anybody. Why any of you are getting so worked up about mr. makes-shitty-religious-music is well beyond Muffti’s comprehension.

]]> By: patty-cake http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160530 patty-cake Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:46:55 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160530 This whole story reminds me of something ongoing at McGill. For the past couple of years, there has been a lone man standing near the front gates carrying a large homemade sign. This guy is very persistent, comes to school every day, stands at the entrance and just kind of walks around holding his sign up. On his sign are allegations, some anti-semitic, mostly just incoherent rambling peppered with bible quotes. Obviously this guy doesn’t have a job and doesn’t mind standing outside no matter what the temperature (except for a few months in the winter when he gets a break). A lot of people at McGill are upset about this, people have written articles in the school paper, or have stood at the gates holding signs such as “I protest this guy”, but unfortunately nothing seems to phase him. Eventually people just gave up on trying to get him to go away and he’s still walking around with his sign. I really don’t have much of an idea what to do with him. I strongly believe in freedom of speech, but doesn’t Canada also have anti-hatred laws? The thing is, in this case, this guy is barking up the wrong tree. It’s a lot harder to convert highly educated people to your misguided cause and I haven’t seen anyone supporting him yet. I guess everyone is just kind of ignoring him and hoping he’ll give up. This whole story reminds me of something ongoing at McGill. For the past couple of years, there has been a lone man standing near the front gates carrying a large homemade sign. This guy is very persistent, comes to school every day, stands at the entrance and just kind of walks around holding his sign up. On his sign are allegations, some anti-semitic, mostly just incoherent rambling peppered with bible quotes. Obviously this guy doesn’t have a job and doesn’t mind standing outside no matter what the temperature (except for a few months in the winter when he gets a break). A lot of people at McGill are upset about this, people have written articles in the school paper, or have stood at the gates holding signs such as “I protest this guy”, but unfortunately nothing seems to phase him. Eventually people just gave up on trying to get him to go away and he’s still walking around with his sign. I really don’t have much of an idea what to do with him. I strongly believe in freedom of speech, but doesn’t Canada also have anti-hatred laws? The thing is, in this case, this guy is barking up the wrong tree. It’s a lot harder to convert highly educated people to your misguided cause and I haven’t seen anyone supporting him yet. I guess everyone is just kind of ignoring him and hoping he’ll give up.

]]> By: esther http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160523 esther Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:22:10 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160523 Jebus originally is from the Simpsons I think. Next time I see my neighbor Conan O'Brien, will ask him. He must know. Jebus originally is from the Simpsons I think. Next time I see my neighbor Conan O’Brien, will ask him. He must know.

]]> By: Dave http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160520 Dave Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:58:01 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160520 Well, it just comes down to the faith one was taught when brought up. I, like all other Jews (and Muslims and Sikhs and Unitarians) was taught from a young age that Hashem is a Unity unlike any other (the Rambam says it much better than I) Like other pure monotheists, I rejoice in Hashem''s Unity and how Amazing and Wonderful Hashem is. So any J4J or other group is just Hilul Hashem is far as I am concerned. They''ll never change my mind or faith, regardless of what ""proofs"" they come up with. As far as I believe, even thes deniers of God''s Unity, will at the moment of their death, their souls will comprehend Hashem''s Unity, so truly Hashem is Totally Merciful. But it saddens me that these J4J''s will have wasted their entire lives believing "mishegoss"" as my Ashkenazic brethren would call it. Well, it just comes down to the faith one was taught when brought up. I, like all other Jews (and Muslims and Sikhs and Unitarians) was taught from a young age that Hashem is a Unity unlike any other (the Rambam says it much better than I)
Like other pure monotheists, I rejoice in Hashem”s Unity and how Amazing and Wonderful Hashem is.
So any J4J or other group is just Hilul Hashem is far as I am concerned. They”ll never change my mind or faith, regardless of what “”proofs”" they come up with. As far as I believe, even thes deniers of God”s Unity, will at the moment of their death, their souls will comprehend Hashem”s Unity, so truly Hashem is Totally Merciful. But it saddens me that these J4J”s will have wasted their entire lives believing “mishegoss”" as my Ashkenazic brethren would call it.

]]> By: AC http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160516 AC Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:39:12 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160516 Hey aviad, this is AC, the guy you kicked off your site. remember, you removed the forum from your site when i debunked you. shall we get started? I challenged you then to a public debate and you declined, maybe now you prepared yourself a bit more? you're acting pretty sure of yourself. do you accept the challenge?? Hey aviad, this is AC, the guy you kicked off your site. remember, you removed the forum from your site when i debunked you.
shall we get started?
I challenged you then to a public debate and you declined, maybe now you prepared yourself a bit more? you’re acting pretty sure of yourself.

do you accept the challenge??

]]> By: tiff http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160510 tiff Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:10:50 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160510 jebus? is that like the kosher way of saying (oh no! close your eyes and cover your ears!)jesus?? jebus? is that like the kosher way of saying (oh no! close your eyes and cover your ears!)jesus??

]]> By: D'vorah http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160507 D'vorah Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:05:15 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160507 The followers of jebus are discussed in Talmud. The quote that people claim is about him is in fact a reference to a man who lived approximately 100 years prior to when jebus supposedly lived. So no, there is not one single contemporary record of his existance amongst Jewish or Roman records. The followers of jebus are discussed in Talmud. The quote that people claim is about him is in fact a reference to a man who lived approximately 100 years prior to when jebus supposedly lived.

So no, there is not one single contemporary record of his existance amongst Jewish or Roman records.

]]> By: D'vorah http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160506 D'vorah Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:59:14 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160506 1. Torah means teachings not law. Same root as morah after all. 2. Joseph rejected?? Huh?? 3. Noah predated Judaism hence the Noahide laws and he wouldn't have been a moshiach. 4. Daniel is a part of Ketuvim, not a part of Nevi'im. He wasn't a prophet as he did not pass the requirements of being a prophet. The Christians in their alteration of the Tanach to create the Christian OT moved him into prophets. And oh yah, the Christian concept of messiah does not exist in Judaism. The term moshiach is a title referencing anyone who is properly annointed with oil as specified by Tanach. FYI, we Jews have had LOTS of valid moshiachim as kings and priests were moshiachim being annointed with oil. :) 1. Torah means teachings not law. Same root as morah after all.
2. Joseph rejected?? Huh??
3. Noah predated Judaism hence the Noahide laws and he wouldn’t have been a moshiach.
4. Daniel is a part of Ketuvim, not a part of Nevi’im. He wasn’t a prophet as he did not pass the requirements of being a prophet. The Christians in their alteration of the Tanach to create the Christian OT moved him into prophets.

And oh yah, the Christian concept of messiah does not exist in Judaism. The term moshiach is a title referencing anyone who is properly annointed with oil as specified by Tanach. FYI, we Jews have had LOTS of valid moshiachim as kings and priests were moshiachim being annointed with oil. :)

]]> By: Code King http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160503 Code King Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:44:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160503 There is evidence Yeshua existed, oh wait you call it the Talmud, go read it, yes they talk of Yeshua. There is evidence Yeshua existed, oh wait you call it the Talmud, go read it, yes they talk of Yeshua.

]]> By: Code King http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160501 Code King Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:41:20 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160501 This guy (the Robert Price) is a complete idiot, first off he doesn't believe in G-d, yes G-d can make idiots, it's quite sad you run to the godless to collect "facts". To bring Christianity to pagan Rome, the Emperor Constantine allowed the tolerance of Christianity (yep people were dumping those gods and worshipping the G-d of Israel, it was becoming a problem), so what happened was that all the pagan holy days were repackaged into Christian form. For example Christmas replaced the normal worship at Winter solstice, as Yeshua's birth was more likely in the early Autumn. Also Easter is another pagan holy day repackagaed as Christian, there are no bunny's or eggs in the NT and no command to follow these pagan holy days. Ishtar (not sure of the spelling, sounds very similar to easter) is a pagan fertility godess, therefore the egg as a symbol of reproduction and bunnies who are very sexually active represent this godess. Also 'All Souls Day' is a reaction to Gaelic pagans who worshipped on what we now call Halloween to stop people from celebrating Halloween and instead use the 1st Nov to commemorate the dead (this was a Church creation and is nowhere found in the NT). Messianic Judaism is actually closer to true, first century, Christianity. To say that Paul created a mystery religion twisted form of Judaism is just plain wrong. The Church, through covering the globe had to overcome the indigenous beliefs of the people who did not know Judaism, therefore to help those people understand it was easier to work with what they knew. For example if you'd never seen a car before, it wouldn't be a stretch to say it is similar to a horse but it is built by a man, also it has to be given fuel and looked after, but it serves the same purpose. So to explain the G-d of Israel to these people analogies had to be made with their understandings. Obviously this can cause problems but it is a useful way that most humans learn. Analogies are used to explain things everyday. This guy (the Robert Price) is a complete idiot, first off he doesn’t believe in G-d, yes G-d can make idiots, it’s quite sad you run to the godless to collect “facts”.

To bring Christianity to pagan Rome, the Emperor Constantine allowed the tolerance of Christianity (yep people were dumping those gods and worshipping the G-d of Israel, it was becoming a problem), so what happened was that all the pagan holy days were repackaged into Christian form. For example Christmas replaced the normal worship at Winter solstice, as Yeshua’s birth was more likely in the early Autumn. Also Easter is another pagan holy day repackagaed as Christian, there are no bunny’s or eggs in the NT and no command to follow these pagan holy days. Ishtar (not sure of the spelling, sounds very similar to easter) is a pagan fertility godess, therefore the egg as a symbol of reproduction and bunnies who are very sexually active represent this godess. Also ‘All Souls Day’ is a reaction to Gaelic pagans who worshipped on what we now call Halloween to stop people from celebrating Halloween and instead use the 1st Nov to commemorate the dead (this was a Church creation and is nowhere found in the NT). Messianic Judaism is actually closer to true, first century, Christianity. To say that Paul created a mystery religion twisted form of Judaism is just plain wrong. The Church, through covering the globe had to overcome the indigenous beliefs of the people who did not know Judaism, therefore to help those people understand it was easier to work with what they knew. For example if you’d never seen a car before, it wouldn’t be a stretch to say it is similar to a horse but it is built by a man, also it has to be given fuel and looked after, but it serves the same purpose. So to explain the G-d of Israel to these people analogies had to be made with their understandings. Obviously this can cause problems but it is a useful way that most humans learn. Analogies are used to explain things everyday.

]]> By: Kley http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160499 Kley Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:28:18 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160499 Avaid can keep saying his nonsense so we can keep debunking it. Avaid can keep saying his nonsense so we can keep debunking it.

]]> By: W http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160498 W Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:25:54 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160498 A pair of pliers and a stepladder and we wouldn't have to be having this discussion. A pair of pliers and a stepladder and we wouldn’t have to be having this discussion.

]]> By: Kley http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160496 Kley Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:23:07 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160496 There is no proof jesus existed. The writing of few people trying to start a cult is not strong evidence. Funny how the new testiment contradicts tself so many times. There is no proof jesus existed. The writing of few people trying to start a cult is not strong evidence. Funny how the new testiment contradicts tself so many times.

]]> By: Kley http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160494 Kley Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:19:30 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160494 First of all your christian myths are neither science nor history. Your entire religion is based on magic and superstition. First of all your christian myths are neither science nor history. Your entire religion is based on magic and superstition.

]]> By: Code King http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160493 Code King Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:15:00 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160493 Science? You mean history idiot, man and I'm stupid. Code King != Aviad Cohen. -Also didn't Manasseh kill Isaiah? Oh that's rejection. -Didn't Moses have to get another copy of the Law? -Wasn't Joseph rejected? -Also didn't the majority of people reject the words of Noah? (Hmm, sleep with the fishes) -And as they should the majority of the Jewish people rejected Yeshua the Messiah. Isaiah 53:3 makes it pretty darn clear. Go on go do your science thing. Also kley, it was the Jewish Messiah who was foretold to come at that time (read Daniel). Check the prophets. Science? You mean history idiot, man and I’m stupid. Code King != Aviad Cohen.

-Also didn’t Manasseh kill Isaiah? Oh that’s rejection.

-Didn’t Moses have to get another copy of the Law?

-Wasn’t Joseph rejected?

-Also didn’t the majority of people reject the words of Noah? (Hmm, sleep with the fishes)

-And as they should the majority of the Jewish people rejected Yeshua the Messiah.

Isaiah 53:3 makes it pretty darn clear. Go on go do your science thing.

Also kley, it was the Jewish Messiah who was foretold to come at that time (read Daniel). Check the prophets.

]]> By: Matityahu http://www.jewlicious.com/2005/12/the-passion-of-the-jews/#comment-160492 Matityahu Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:09:37 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1585#comment-160492 True enough; I studied comparitive religion in university and can honestly say that early Christians would have be more at home in a modern day Reform shul than anything resembling a church today. In fact early Christians required that converts go through a Jewish conversion prior to accepting 'Yehoshua' as their 'messiah'. Still, what is disturbing to me is the modern day J4J perversion of the classic Torah Min Ha'Shamayim argument to suit their misguided attempts to convert Jews. In my estimation one can have a perfectly reasonable discussion regarding the historical ramifications of the Torah (similar to comparitive literature where one analyses the work against the historical backdrop of what was occuring when the work was written) without dragging false 'messiahs' into it. But I would say that this is a discussion best left to educated Jews and Jewesses and we shouldn't give the J4J any forum at all to voice their dishonest and misleading arguments. True enough; I studied comparitive religion in university and can honestly say that early Christians would have be more at home in a modern day Reform shul than anything resembling a church today. In fact early Christians required that converts go through a Jewish conversion prior to accepting ‘Yehoshua’ as their ‘messiah’. Still, what is disturbing to me is the modern day J4J perversion of the classic Torah Min Ha’Shamayim argument to suit their misguided attempts to convert Jews. In my estimation one can have a perfectly reasonable discussion regarding the historical ramifications of the Torah (similar to comparitive literature where one analyses the work against the historical backdrop of what was occuring when the work was written) without dragging false ‘messiahs’ into it. But I would say that this is a discussion best left to educated Jews and Jewesses and we shouldn’t give the J4J any forum at all to voice their dishonest and misleading arguments.

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