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		<title>By: paradoctor</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-172310</link>
		<dc:creator>paradoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tovya: better an honest enemy than a false friend. Also, their supporters have something to lose; those clinics, schools, etc. This gives Israel some leverage. 

All will turn out well, given only intelligence, integrity, vision and competence on the part of Palestinian, Israeli and American officials. Unfortunately, those qualities rare in general, and especially so amongst the above-mentioned officials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tovya: better an honest enemy than a false friend. Also, their supporters have something to lose; those clinics, schools, etc. This gives Israel some leverage. </p>
<p>All will turn out well, given only intelligence, integrity, vision and competence on the part of Palestinian, Israeli and American officials. Unfortunately, those qualities rare in general, and especially so amongst the above-mentioned officials.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Muffti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Muffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P &amp; D Herrmann, Muffti was kidding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P &amp; D Herrmann, Muffti was kidding!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171701</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It ain&#039;t perfect Michael but way ahead of second place. If you don&#039;t like it, why don&#039;t you just leave us....uh, I guess you did. Well....then.....why don&#039;t you just buy your own shopping basket then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It ain&#8217;t perfect Michael but way ahead of second place. If you don&#8217;t like it, why don&#8217;t you just leave us&#8230;.uh, I guess you did. Well&#8230;.then&#8230;..why don&#8217;t you just buy your own shopping basket then.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171676</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. May we all hail the glory of American democracy, which has never failed throughout its storied history to give to the American people a pretend choice between two total douchebags. Yay limited representative pseudo-democracy! Where are my Commie-stompin&#039; boots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. May we all hail the glory of American democracy, which has never failed throughout its storied history to give to the American people a pretend choice between two total douchebags. Yay limited representative pseudo-democracy! Where are my Commie-stompin&#8217; boots?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul and Donna Herrmann</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171671</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul and Donna Herrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean, when are peole going to learn that Democracy want work? It has here in America for over 200 yrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean, when are peole going to learn that Democracy want work? It has here in America for over 200 yrs.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas franz</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas franz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bomb mecca and stop the freaking muslims NOW.
The idiot americans  are not safe the muslims hat all that is not muslim. The cult must be stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bomb mecca and stop the freaking muslims NOW.<br />
The idiot americans  are not safe the muslims hat all that is not muslim. The cult must be stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171495</link>
		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EEEEEEEW. Gross! Yuck! Why are so many prophecies about vengence rather than every getting along and getting drunk together on real wine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EEEEEEEW. Gross! Yuck! Why are so many prophecies about vengence rather than every getting along and getting drunk together on real wine?</p>
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		<title>By: Ephraim</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171490</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephraim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a natural pessimist, Muffti. I just can&#039;t help it.

I don&#039;t want to wax all religious and Messianic, since I know the Muffti, he isn&#039;t down with that, but IIRC there is a prophecy in Isaiah, in one of the haftorot, that says that at the time of the geulah, Hashem will make Israel&#039;s enemies &quot;drunk on their own blood as though with sweet wine&quot; or something along those lines.

Here&#039;s hoping. 

Drink away, boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a natural pessimist, Muffti. I just can&#8217;t help it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to wax all religious and Messianic, since I know the Muffti, he isn&#8217;t down with that, but IIRC there is a prophecy in Isaiah, in one of the haftorot, that says that at the time of the geulah, Hashem will make Israel&#8217;s enemies &#8220;drunk on their own blood as though with sweet wine&#8221; or something along those lines.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping. </p>
<p>Drink away, boys.</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
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		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Ephraim, why is the terrorist&#039;s gun always half empty rather than half full in your eyes?!?</description>
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		<title>By: Ephraim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephraim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Arabs remain true to form, the bodies should be piling up in Gaza and Ramallah pretty soon. I hope that Fatah will resist the Hamas takeover to the last terrorist, so that both sides will just pound each other into little piles of Islamic dust, but I doubt that we&#039;ll be so lucky. My guess is that after a few desultory scuffles most of the Fatah &quot;activists&quot; will just change uniforms, unfortunately.

The last few Xians in the territories are probably checking out real estate prices in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv right about now.

The real problem here is that when Hamas faces the inevitable problems of trying to run a gummint (if they even bother), they will up the violence against Israel to &quot;mobilize the masses&quot; and direct their attention elsewhere. No matter what happens, attacks on Israel will increase, and increase soon.

And don&#039;t hold your breath expecting the US and the EU to honor their promises of not dealing with and not funding terrorists. I assume that, as always, they&#039;ll find a way to weasel out of their promises. 

No matter what happens, this is not going to be pretty.

But, man, did Hamas hand Fatah its ass on a plate or what? &quot;Bend over and grab your ankles,Ab-ass, and don&#039;t bother asking for any lube!&quot; 

But I just can&#039;t believe all of these people who say they were &quot;shocked&quot; at Hamas&#039; victory. What are they, stupid? Anybody with any sense saw this coming from miles away. It was as obvious as the setup and punch line in a Threee Stooges movie, like when Curly is working at a gas station and uses a match to check what he thinks is the water level in the radiator.

Of course, it is the gas tank. Ka-&lt;i&gt;BOOM!&lt;/i&gt;

Surprise, surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Arabs remain true to form, the bodies should be piling up in Gaza and Ramallah pretty soon. I hope that Fatah will resist the Hamas takeover to the last terrorist, so that both sides will just pound each other into little piles of Islamic dust, but I doubt that we&#8217;ll be so lucky. My guess is that after a few desultory scuffles most of the Fatah &#8220;activists&#8221; will just change uniforms, unfortunately.</p>
<p>The last few Xians in the territories are probably checking out real estate prices in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv right about now.</p>
<p>The real problem here is that when Hamas faces the inevitable problems of trying to run a gummint (if they even bother), they will up the violence against Israel to &#8220;mobilize the masses&#8221; and direct their attention elsewhere. No matter what happens, attacks on Israel will increase, and increase soon.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t hold your breath expecting the US and the EU to honor their promises of not dealing with and not funding terrorists. I assume that, as always, they&#8217;ll find a way to weasel out of their promises. </p>
<p>No matter what happens, this is not going to be pretty.</p>
<p>But, man, did Hamas hand Fatah its ass on a plate or what? &#8220;Bend over and grab your ankles,Ab-ass, and don&#8217;t bother asking for any lube!&#8221; </p>
<p>But I just can&#8217;t believe all of these people who say they were &#8220;shocked&#8221; at Hamas&#8217; victory. What are they, stupid? Anybody with any sense saw this coming from miles away. It was as obvious as the setup and punch line in a Threee Stooges movie, like when Curly is working at a gas station and uses a match to check what he thinks is the water level in the radiator.</p>
<p>Of course, it is the gas tank. Ka-<i>BOOM!</i></p>
<p>Surprise, surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: taltman</title>
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		<dc:creator>taltman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM: Hamas is more populist, not socialist in the common understanding of the political term.

Laya: You&#039;re right. But I get a weird feeling when I start to realize that I get excited by events which might help Israeli hasbarah, but actually will lead to more Jewish suffering... :-/ 

Ben-David: What most people fail to realize is that democratic institutions in the Palestinian territories are very corrupt and weak, so these are mere proxy contests for the armed groups/militias, which are the real power structures/brokers. In other words, for any group to effectively hold power in the territories, they have to be backed by their own armed gunmen. That&#039;s why it is unlikely that the PLO groups will silently go into that dark night without a fight. Who would freely give up power? They&#039;ll engage Hamas if not for supremacy then for just maintaining the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM: Hamas is more populist, not socialist in the common understanding of the political term.</p>
<p>Laya: You&#8217;re right. But I get a weird feeling when I start to realize that I get excited by events which might help Israeli hasbarah, but actually will lead to more Jewish suffering&#8230; :-/ </p>
<p>Ben-David: What most people fail to realize is that democratic institutions in the Palestinian territories are very corrupt and weak, so these are mere proxy contests for the armed groups/militias, which are the real power structures/brokers. In other words, for any group to effectively hold power in the territories, they have to be backed by their own armed gunmen. That&#8217;s why it is unlikely that the PLO groups will silently go into that dark night without a fight. Who would freely give up power? They&#8217;ll engage Hamas if not for supremacy then for just maintaining the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171423</link>
		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben David, Muffti totally disagrees; not totally with the conclusion but with the style of argument. Its nonsense in general to think that within a little while one can cobble a political party together. Sharon could, Muffti supposes, but a new party requires positions, funding, members with a unified stance...all of which is a difficult matter. Look at the Canadian election where across the board people reported disatifaction with the LIberals and hten either voted liberal due to even massiver (hehehe) dissatisfaction with the Conservatives or voted Conservative out of slightly less massive dissatisfaction. [obviously this is a simplification]. This is especially the case when your opponents are either well funded terrorists or US aided well funded Fatah (a.k.a. terrorists) and in an area where it is not especially uncommon for Hamas to terrorize members of the other parties (as they did to members of Fatah up until they were allowed to run in the election). 

So, in essence, Muffti thinks that you are massively oversimplifying the complications, dangers and general problems with running a brand new party. These parties tend not to do well, especialy during an election with a massive protest vote. 

Let Muffti conclude with a reiteration. It doesn&#039;t follow that there is &quot;such a silent majority&quot;, but that the evidence against it is rather piss poor. Hamas, as Laya points out, has provided social services for years: the cleverness of Hamas is precisely that they are a party concerned with the plight of Palestineans AS WELL as a terrorist organization. What moderate party can compete with a socialist progressive party like Hamas that actually has a track record of providing services like hospitals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben David, Muffti totally disagrees; not totally with the conclusion but with the style of argument. Its nonsense in general to think that within a little while one can cobble a political party together. Sharon could, Muffti supposes, but a new party requires positions, funding, members with a unified stance&#8230;all of which is a difficult matter. Look at the Canadian election where across the board people reported disatifaction with the LIberals and hten either voted liberal due to even massiver (hehehe) dissatisfaction with the Conservatives or voted Conservative out of slightly less massive dissatisfaction. [obviously this is a simplification]. This is especially the case when your opponents are either well funded terrorists or US aided well funded Fatah (a.k.a. terrorists) and in an area where it is not especially uncommon for Hamas to terrorize members of the other parties (as they did to members of Fatah up until they were allowed to run in the election). </p>
<p>So, in essence, Muffti thinks that you are massively oversimplifying the complications, dangers and general problems with running a brand new party. These parties tend not to do well, especialy during an election with a massive protest vote. </p>
<p>Let Muffti conclude with a reiteration. It doesn&#8217;t follow that there is &#8220;such a silent majority&#8221;, but that the evidence against it is rather piss poor. Hamas, as Laya points out, has provided social services for years: the cleverness of Hamas is precisely that they are a party concerned with the plight of Palestineans AS WELL as a terrorist organization. What moderate party can compete with a socialist progressive party like Hamas that actually has a track record of providing services like hospitals?</p>
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		<title>By: laya</title>
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		<dc:creator>laya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Hamas victory is for sure better for Israel. Also, Hamas has done more for the Palestinian people than any other party around, so in a really perverse way, it&#039;s probably better all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Hamas victory is for sure better for Israel. Also, Hamas has done more for the Palestinian people than any other party around, so in a really perverse way, it&#8217;s probably better all around.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171389</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>muffti,
this is one of the best things to happen to Israel. If in the past ten Oslo years, Israel could fool itself into think that there was a silent moderate majority of the Palestinians who want &#039;peace&#039; with Israel, then GOOD MORNING SAMARIA! 

I&#039;m sure the day after, more of these arabs were kicking themselves for not voting Hamas either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>muffti,<br />
this is one of the best things to happen to Israel. If in the past ten Oslo years, Israel could fool itself into think that there was a silent moderate majority of the Palestinians who want &#8216;peace&#8217; with Israel, then GOOD MORNING SAMARIA! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the day after, more of these arabs were kicking themselves for not voting Hamas either.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171387</link>
		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tovya, thou art right Hama = Fatah - duplicity</description>
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		<title>By: Ben-David</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171356</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muffti - sure there&#039;s a grain of truth in the assertion that this was a vote against Fatah corruption, but... that kinda begs the question: if there really is a &quot;silent majority&quot; that want coexistence, why didn&#039;t &quot;moderate&quot; Pali technocrats (Ashrawi, the Husseinis and other old-line Jerusalem families) form a party that embraces BOTH reform AND negotiation?

Such a party would have grabbed a lot of airtime, and garnered much international support. And they would have had great success at the ballot box.

So why didn&#039;t it happen?

Because such a silent majority - the last wispy straw of hope for many messianic peaceniks - Does. Not. Exist.

Calling for Israel&#039;s liquidation is the Palestinian political equivalent of kissing babies.

Maybe now many hopeful lefties will get a clue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muffti &#8211; sure there&#8217;s a grain of truth in the assertion that this was a vote against Fatah corruption, but&#8230; that kinda begs the question: if there really is a &#8220;silent majority&#8221; that want coexistence, why didn&#8217;t &#8220;moderate&#8221; Pali technocrats (Ashrawi, the Husseinis and other old-line Jerusalem families) form a party that embraces BOTH reform AND negotiation?</p>
<p>Such a party would have grabbed a lot of airtime, and garnered much international support. And they would have had great success at the ballot box.</p>
<p>So why didn&#8217;t it happen?</p>
<p>Because such a silent majority &#8211; the last wispy straw of hope for many messianic peaceniks &#8211; Does. Not. Exist.</p>
<p>Calling for Israel&#8217;s liquidation is the Palestinian political equivalent of kissing babies.</p>
<p>Maybe now many hopeful lefties will get a clue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: grandmuffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171351</link>
		<dc:creator>grandmuffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muffti sees your point, Tovya...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muffti sees your point, Tovya&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
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		<dc:creator>BA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I agree with Tovya about her preference, but I do agree with her position on the &quot;silver lining.&quot;  Unlike then-Arafat/now-Fatah English/Arabic double speak that seemed to bring on so much world sympathy and cries for more &quot;balanced&quot; policies, now the world can plainly see what we all knew; this is who we&#039;re really dealing with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I agree with Tovya about her preference, but I do agree with her position on the &#8220;silver lining.&#8221;  Unlike then-Arafat/now-Fatah English/Arabic double speak that seemed to bring on so much world sympathy and cries for more &#8220;balanced&#8221; policies, now the world can plainly see what we all knew; this is who we&#8217;re really dealing with.</p>
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		<title>By: DiGiTaL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiGiTaL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just curious is anyone actually surprised by this, or happy because &quot;Democracy prevailed&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just curious is anyone actually surprised by this, or happy because &#8220;Democracy prevailed&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/01/yeshar-koach-hamas/#comment-171335</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a joke. We don&#039;&#039;t we &quot;&quot;love bomb&quot;&quot; Hamas and the Palestinians in general. Why don&#039;&#039;t we get all the rabbonim to start saying how Judaism and Islam aren&#039;&#039;t that different theologically and why are we fighting, etc. And go on and on, quoting the Torah, Talmud, Koran, etc. We&#039;&#039;ve tried other things, why not try this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a joke. We don&#8221;t we &#8220;&#8221;love bomb&#8221;" Hamas and the Palestinians in general. Why don&#8221;t we get all the rabbonim to start saying how Judaism and Islam aren&#8221;t that different theologically and why are we fighting, etc. And go on and on, quoting the Torah, Talmud, Koran, etc. We&#8221;ve tried other things, why not try this.</p>
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