Comments on: You would cry, too, if it happened to you http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/ 100% Kosher Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:55:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Debora http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-1343717 Debora Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:10:20 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-1343717 Rare Circumcision Ritual Carries Herpes Risk Traditional Jewish Practice May Put Babies at Risk for Genital Herpes Infection By Jennifer Warner WebMD Health News Reviewed by Ngozi A. Osondu, MD Aug. 2, 2004 -- A rare Jewish circumcision practice may put young infants at risk for genital herpes with potentially severe complications, according to a new study. Researchers in Israel have documented eight cases in which male infants became infected with the herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) after undergoing circumcision that included direct oral-genital contact between the infant and the circumciser (mohel). One of the infants suffered brain damage as the result of his infection. Male circumcision is the removal of the foreskin (prepuce), which is a fold of skin that covers and protects the tip of the penis. According to Jewish custom and traditions, newborn Jewish boys are ritually circumcised at eight days of age, and complications are generally very rare. However, a small number of Orthodox rabbis advocate an ancient practice in which the circumciser sucks the blood from the infant's circumcision wound until the bleeding stops, a ritual known as metzitzah. Researchers say the vast majority of ritual circumcisions are currently performed with a sterile suctioning device and not oral suction by the mohel. Rare Circumcision Ritual Puts Infants at Risk In their study, published in the August issue of Pediatrics, researchers describe eight cases in which Jewish infants developed genital herpes an average of a week after circumcision. None of the infant's mothers had evidence of oral or genital herpes, the most frequent modes of transmission to newborns. In all cases, the traditional circumciser had performed the metzitzah custom involving direct oral contact with the infants' genitals. Six of the infants required treatment with intravenous antibiotics, and four had recurrent genital herpes infections. In addition, one infant suffered brain damage and seizures as a result of complications caused by his infection. Four of the mohels were available for testing, and all of them tested positive for antibodies for HSV-1, which indicated that they were carriers of the virus. Yet none had tested positive for the virus in their mouth. Researchers say that after the initial cases of herpes in circumcised infants were reported, the Chief Rabbinate of Israel pronounced in 2002 the legitimacy of using instrumental suction in cases in which there is a risk of infection. "We support ritual circumcision but without oral metzitzah, which might endanger the newborns and is not part of the religious procedure," write researcher Benjamin Gesundheit, MD, of Ben Gurion University in Israel, and colleagues. SOURCE: Gesundheit, B. Pediatrics, August 2004; vol 114: pp 259-263. Rare Circumcision Ritual Carries Herpes Risk

Traditional Jewish Practice May Put Babies at Risk for Genital Herpes Infection
By Jennifer Warner

WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Ngozi A. Osondu, MD
Aug. 2, 2004 —

A rare Jewish circumcision practice may put young infants at risk for genital herpes with potentially severe complications, according to a new study.

Researchers in Israel have documented eight cases in which male infants became infected with the herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) after undergoing circumcision that included direct oral-genital contact between the infant and the circumciser (mohel). One of the infants suffered brain damage as the result of his infection.

Male circumcision is the removal of the foreskin (prepuce), which is a fold of skin that covers and protects the tip of the penis.

According to Jewish custom and traditions, newborn Jewish boys are ritually circumcised at eight days of age, and complications are generally very rare.

However, a small number of Orthodox rabbis advocate an ancient practice in which the circumciser sucks the blood from the infant’s circumcision wound until the bleeding stops, a ritual known as metzitzah.

Researchers say the vast majority of ritual circumcisions are currently performed with a sterile suctioning device and not oral suction by the mohel.

Rare Circumcision Ritual Puts Infants at Risk
In their study, published in the August issue of Pediatrics, researchers describe eight cases in which Jewish infants developed genital herpes an average of a week after circumcision. None of the infant’s mothers had evidence of oral or genital herpes, the most frequent modes of transmission to newborns.

In all cases, the traditional circumciser had performed the metzitzah custom involving direct oral contact with the infants’ genitals.

Six of the infants required treatment with intravenous antibiotics, and four had recurrent genital herpes infections. In addition, one infant suffered brain damage and seizures as a result of complications caused by his infection.

Four of the mohels were available for testing, and all of them tested positive for antibodies for HSV-1, which indicated that they were carriers of the virus. Yet none had tested positive for the virus in their mouth.

Researchers say that after the initial cases of herpes in circumcised infants were reported, the Chief Rabbinate of Israel pronounced in 2002 the legitimacy of using instrumental suction in cases in which there is a risk of infection.

“We support ritual circumcision but without oral metzitzah, which might endanger the newborns and is not part of the religious procedure,” write researcher Benjamin Gesundheit, MD, of Ben Gurion University in Israel, and colleagues.

SOURCE: Gesundheit, B. Pediatrics, August 2004; vol 114: pp 259-263.

]]> By: adam http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-1318890 adam Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:13:01 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-1318890 Actually many mohelim are more drastic in priah in that they tear the inner skin down toits roots under the corona and then continue to tear away the inner skin from all round the corona of the glans and thus strip it away entirely. Adam Actually many mohelim are more drastic in priah in that they tear the inner skin down toits roots under the corona and then continue to tear away the inner skin from all round the corona of the glans and thus strip it away entirely.

Adam

]]> By: Jobber http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-178955 Jobber Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:16:26 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-178955 Multi colored Tallis is fine, this is a non-important item what the color is. Multi colored robes are worn on Shabbos by men and women. So what is the name of the cute baby, where is the pics? Multi colored Tallis is fine, this is a non-important item what the color is. Multi colored robes are worn on Shabbos by men and women.

So what is the name of the cute baby, where is the pics?

]]> By: Chutzpah http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-178678 Chutzpah Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:14:41 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-178678 So I went to a bris on Monday, my first cousin's son, and I walk in and practically attack the mohel with "do you have a sterilized tube????!!!" because I was not about to let any Rabbi put his mouth on my new little cousin. He looked at me and smiled and said "no tube", at which point my father pulled me out of the kitchen and said "if you don't mind you own business I am going to throw you in the car and drive you home until this is over." Well, I got highly upset but decided to keep my mouth shut and I watched the procedure. It took all of two minutes, the baby cried a little bit. He had analgesic cream put on his penis one hour before the ceremony. He was given sugar water through the hole thing. He was fine afterward. The mohel used a "mogen clamp" and he did not squeeze with his mouth or a tube. Turns out he was a lBoard Certified Urologist who trained at Mt. Sinai Hospital. I don't know if Orthodox consider this a valid bris, but my cousin has a bris certificate she paid him $700.00 for. He had a multi-colored tallis on, so I guess the Orthodox don't recognize this, but it's good to no there was no cock-sucking done on my new little relative. So I went to a bris on Monday, my first cousin’s son, and I walk in and practically attack the mohel with “do you have a sterilized tube????!!!” because I was not about to let any Rabbi put his mouth on my new little cousin. He looked at me and smiled and said “no tube”, at which point my father pulled me out of the kitchen and said “if you don’t mind you own business I am going to throw you in the car and drive you home until this is over.” Well, I got highly upset but decided to keep my mouth shut and I watched the procedure. It took all of two minutes, the baby cried a little bit. He had analgesic cream put on his penis one hour before the ceremony. He was given sugar water through the hole thing. He was fine afterward. The mohel used a “mogen clamp” and he did not squeeze with his mouth or a tube. Turns out he was a lBoard Certified Urologist who trained at Mt. Sinai Hospital. I don’t know if Orthodox consider this a valid bris, but my cousin has a bris certificate she paid him $700.00 for. He had a multi-colored tallis on, so I guess the Orthodox don’t recognize this, but it’s good to no there was no cock-sucking done on my new little relative.

]]> By: Jewish Mother http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-176136 Jewish Mother Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:45:43 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-176136 Yes, totally right. But it is still not cool to alter a photograph. He did not used to have that white cloth on his chest, when the photo was first posted. His large, well developed chest gave away that this is no 8-day-old baby. He is older than that by months. So now the chest is covered up. Hmm. Yes, totally right.

But it is still not cool to alter a photograph. He did not used to have that white cloth on his chest, when the photo was first posted. His large, well developed chest gave away that this is no 8-day-old baby. He is older than that by months.

So now the chest is covered up. Hmm.

]]> By: Netsach Shebe Netsach http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-175301 Netsach Shebe Netsach Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:38:30 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-175301 This issue of infants getting a type of herpes through metzitzah b’peh is new to me even though I have seen many Bris done. What I have heard is the fear of aids, lo alaynu. Even the Satmar Mohel I have seen didn't do metzitzah b’peh, although he may have given the familys the option, I don't know. The spectre of Aids seems a lot more menacing then then cold sores. For some time, awhile back, the only Mohel in town, LA, that people trusted it seemed was a Satmar. Even Lubavatchers I heard were using him. I don't know what the issues were that people prefered to use the Satmar, I doubt that metzitzah b’peh had anything to do with that. I did have the privelage to shlep around a Mohel who was a Rav with Litvak background. I flew him around actually. He needed someone with a light plane that was able to get into little airfields near his customers in across state jobs. As it turns out going by airline is often more time consuming in going from one smaller town to another, if he got more then one job in the State, California, in one day. Going by car may take even longer or is impossible. So often for this Rabbi-Mohel, he would hire somebody with a small plane. His Cut, pun intended, would be something like $500. If he got more then 2 cuts a day in far out towns it would be worth paying the pilot some of that. The Lubavitchers didn't like this Rabbi to do thier Bris jobs for some reason. He does or doesn't do something that is a different in some way. However, they certainly let the Litvok Rabbi perform the Bris he does in thier Chabad Houses and participate in the following simcha. When I find out those technical stuff is maybe I will post it, but for now I don't know. One thing I know that this Litvok did that that alot of the Lubavithers I know didn't approve of was doing a bris for a baby that whose mother wasn't jewish. One time I flew the Litvok Mohel to a town in Central California. The father of the boy is Jewish, but not the mother. The Mother wasn't into doing conversion, but she let the kid be circumcised by a Mohel. The Rabbi told me he needs me to sign the document as a kosher witness that says this baby was circumsized properly. The idea being that once this boy decides to convert, he wont have to go through any form of circumcision. This issue of infants getting a type of herpes through metzitzah b’peh is new to me even though I have seen many Bris done. What I have heard is the fear of aids, lo alaynu. Even the Satmar Mohel I have seen didn’t do metzitzah b’peh, although he may have given the familys the option, I don’t know. The spectre of Aids seems a lot more menacing then then cold sores. For some time, awhile back, the only Mohel in town, LA, that people trusted it seemed was a Satmar. Even Lubavatchers I heard were using him. I don’t know what the issues were that people prefered to use the Satmar, I doubt that metzitzah b’peh had anything to do with that.
I did have the privelage to shlep around a Mohel who was a Rav with Litvak background. I flew him around actually. He needed someone with a light plane that was able to get into little airfields near his customers in across state jobs. As it turns out going by airline is often more time consuming in going from one smaller town to another, if he got more then one job in the State, California, in one day. Going by car may take even longer or is impossible. So often for this Rabbi-Mohel, he would hire somebody with a small plane. His Cut, pun intended, would be something like $500. If he got more then 2 cuts a day in far out towns it would be worth paying the pilot some of that.
The Lubavitchers didn’t like this Rabbi to do thier Bris jobs for some reason. He does or doesn’t do something that is a different in some way. However, they certainly let the Litvok Rabbi perform the Bris he does in thier Chabad Houses and participate in the following simcha. When I find out those technical stuff is maybe I will post it, but for now I don’t know.
One thing I know that this Litvok did that that alot of the Lubavithers I know didn’t approve of was doing a bris for a baby that whose mother wasn’t jewish. One time I flew the Litvok Mohel to a town in Central California. The father of the boy is Jewish, but not the mother. The Mother wasn’t into doing conversion, but she let the kid be circumcised by a Mohel. The Rabbi told me he needs me to sign the document as a kosher witness that says this baby was circumsized properly. The idea being that once this boy decides to convert, he wont have to go through any form of circumcision.

]]> By: Ephraim http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-174544 Ephraim Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:58:15 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-174544 Kelsey, I'm getting a little confused about your stand on the issue of millah. As far as I can tell, you are viscerally opposed to the practice and you have posted a number of links to virulently anti-circumcision websites to support your position. So, anyway, I checked out one of the links, which I suppose you posted to prove your point that the stupid goyim have been duped into mutilating themselves by watching Jewish porn or something. One of the links takes you directly to a page about circumcision in Hungary, where the practice has been virtually non-existent up until quite recently. I was expecting more "circumcision is the root of all evil" rants; instead, the page was filled with nothing but personal testimonials from both men and women who couldn't contain their wild enthusiasm for circumcision, gushing about how much better the sex was now that that messy forskin was out of the way. What was striking was how esctatic the women were, saying that sex was wildly better when the man was circumcised, how much more beautiful and studly the organ looked, how they were going to make sure that their male children were all circumcised, etc. One woman even went so far as to say how much she envied Jewish women now that she knew how much better sex was with a circumcised man. So, what gives? Are we sexual cripples who conspire to deprive the unsuspecting goyim of their natural manliness by forcing our barbaric emasculating practices on them, or are we super studs who drive women so crazy with our improved organs that all of the gentile women want to make their men look like us? Kelsey, I’m getting a little confused about your stand on the issue of millah. As far as I can tell, you are viscerally opposed to the practice and you have posted a number of links to virulently anti-circumcision websites to support your position.

So, anyway, I checked out one of the links, which I suppose you posted to prove your point that the stupid goyim have been duped into mutilating themselves by watching Jewish porn or something.

One of the links takes you directly to a page about circumcision in Hungary, where the practice has been virtually non-existent up until quite recently. I was expecting more “circumcision is the root of all evil” rants; instead, the page was filled with nothing but personal testimonials from both men and women who couldn’t contain their wild enthusiasm for circumcision, gushing about how much better the sex was now that that messy forskin was out of the way. What was striking was how esctatic the women were, saying that sex was wildly better when the man was circumcised, how much more beautiful and studly the organ looked, how they were going to make sure that their male children were all circumcised, etc. One woman even went so far as to say how much she envied Jewish women now that she knew how much better sex was with a circumcised man.

So, what gives? Are we sexual cripples who conspire to deprive the unsuspecting goyim of their natural manliness by forcing our barbaric emasculating practices on them, or are we super studs who drive women so crazy with our improved organs that all of the gentile women want to make their men look like us?

]]> By: Chutzpah http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-174214 Chutzpah Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:44:11 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-174214 Regardless of the obvious anti-semetism on that site, infants have died of herpes from mohels and it is a very serious concern. Use of sterilzed tube is necessary in brit. No child's health should be put at risk for fear of insulting a Rabbi. As my grandmother would say "their shit stinks the same as everyone elses". Regardless of the obvious anti-semetism on that site, infants have died of herpes from mohels and it is a very serious concern. Use of sterilzed tube is necessary in brit. No child’s health should be put at risk for fear of insulting a Rabbi. As my grandmother would say “their shit stinks the same as everyone elses”.

]]> By: alli http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-173756 alli Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:56:57 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-173756 This is one of my most favorite antisemetic websites. Check out the alleged picture of metzitzah b’peh by copying and pasting the link below... http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aztlan.net/metzitzah_b_peh.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.aztlan.net/metzitzah_b_peh.htm&h=400&w=600&sz=34&tbnid=TDY4kA57tmTPuM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=133&hl=en&ei=MQbqQ_LtDM2uQcjf8LAM&sig2=gpw-QuaOEZ_3OnUeV8eaOA&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmetzitzah%2Bb%25E2%2580%2599peh%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-52,GGLG:en%26sa%3DN This is one of my most favorite antisemetic websites. Check out the alleged picture of metzitzah b’peh by copying and pasting the link below…

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]]> By: Jewish Mother http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/02/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/comment-page-2/#comment-173349 Jewish Mother Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:42:49 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/you-would-cry-too-if-it-happened-to-you/#comment-173349 Was the photo altered??? Was the photo altered???

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