Comments on: Strange Tidings In Jerusalem http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chutzpah http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-213874 Chutzpah Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:10:28 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-213874 This happens in Haradi Communities in the U.S. as well. Because religious beliefs prohibit autopsy, the Coroner's office needs overwhelming evidence to perform one to prove abuse or "Shaken Baby Syndrome". Usually it is declared "Sudden Infant Death" and dismissed. During my divorce I personally witnessed memebers of the Chasidic community protesting in the State Court house in Paterson with signs that said "put the baby in the ground". This happens in Haradi Communities in the U.S. as well. Because religious beliefs prohibit autopsy, the Coroner’s office needs overwhelming evidence to perform one to prove abuse or “Shaken Baby Syndrome”. Usually it is declared “Sudden Infant Death” and dismissed. During my divorce I personally witnessed memebers of the Chasidic community protesting in the State Court house in Paterson with signs that said “put the baby in the ground”.

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208729 ck Mon, 17 Apr 2006 05:36:33 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208729 Thank you Yoel for bringing in some badly needed nuance to a topic that we often portray in a one sided manner. Thank you Yoel for bringing in some badly needed nuance to a topic that we often portray in a one sided manner.

]]> By: Yoel Ben-Avraham http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208706 Yoel Ben-Avraham Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:14:57 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208706 The one thing that bothers me is this blanket "charedim". To be honest I do NOT know the details of this incident but I assure you that there two (perhaps three) relatively small fringe groups that are leading/inciting this "protest". The vast majority of the so-called "Ultra-Orthodox" community are in no way involved and probably revolted by it all. Finally, you seem to be totally oblivious to the seventy year old cultural war the secular establishment has fought against the religious community ... with so much pent up animosity, any excuse to lash out is exploited, even when (as possibly in this case) it is not justified. But it took two to tango to create this fractured division. The one thing that bothers me is this blanket “charedim”. To be honest I do NOT know the details of this incident but I assure you that there two (perhaps three) relatively small fringe groups that are leading/inciting this “protest”. The vast majority of the so-called “Ultra-Orthodox” community are in no way involved and probably revolted by it all.

Finally, you seem to be totally oblivious to the seventy year old cultural war the secular establishment has fought against the religious community … with so much pent up animosity, any excuse to lash out is exploited, even when (as possibly in this case) it is not justified. But it took two to tango to create this fractured division.

]]> By: ofri http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208356 ofri Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:38:30 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208356 who is reluctant to discuss this? the chareidim? they are convinced that this Vales guy is a "gentle" soul who loves children and would never do what the evil state of Israel says he did. Poor guy must have had a confession tortured out of him. his wife has come out in his defense twice, that i have heard of. Hashem wanted it this way is more of less what she said. The forensic evidence speaks for itself, and Vales's confession is corroborated by that evidence. As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a beast, and I hope he is put away for life and never allowed near another child. The fact remains, however, that this type of thing also happens in secular Israeli society and in American society, and everywhere else in the world. The charedim are just embarrassing themselves and the rest of Israel and further antagonizing people like me who can barely stand them as it is by condoning this astounding act of cruelty. who is reluctant to discuss this? the chareidim? they are convinced that this Vales guy is a “gentle” soul who loves children and would never do what the evil state of Israel says he did. Poor guy must have had a confession tortured out of him. his wife has come out in his defense twice, that i have heard of. Hashem wanted it this way is more of less what she said. The forensic evidence speaks for itself, and Vales’s confession is corroborated by that evidence. As far as I’m concerned, this guy is a beast, and I hope he is put away for life and never allowed near another child. The fact remains, however, that this type of thing also happens in secular Israeli society and in American society, and everywhere else in the world. The charedim are just embarrassing themselves and the rest of Israel and further antagonizing people like me who can barely stand them as it is by condoning this astounding act of cruelty.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208355 themiddle Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:17:57 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208355 Not only should it be shared, it should be screamed at very loudly. For some reason, I think people are reluctant to discuss this because it is so shameful. Not only should it be shared, it should be screamed at very loudly. For some reason, I think people are reluctant to discuss this because it is so shameful.

]]> By: Raven http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208346 Raven Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:13:22 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208346 The chareidim have been rioting and disrupting the city and the chag for everyone--in order to "show support" for an admitted child murderer who thought it was okay to brutally attack his own child because the baby had a neck injury and was keeping him awake. Why <i>shouldn't</i> this be shared here or anywhere else?! The chareidim have been rioting and disrupting the city and the chag for everyone–in order to “show support” for an admitted child murderer who thought it was okay to brutally attack his own child because the baby had a neck injury and was keeping him awake. Why shouldn’t this be shared here or anywhere else?!

]]> By: grandmuffti http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208268 grandmuffti Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:17:22 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208268 Joe, take it easy! Did you not see the all important final line: <blockquote><i>Muffti is the first to admit that the whole hareidi community may not be behind this: can any of our israeli correspondants in Jerusalem help fill out the story?</i></blockquote> Sheesh! Joe, take it easy! Did you not see the all important final line:

Muffti is the first to admit that the whole hareidi community may not be behind this: can any of our israeli correspondants in Jerusalem help fill out the story?

Sheesh!

]]> By: laya http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208117 laya Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:33:12 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208117 Am I one of these " israeli correspondents"? I don't know how much of the story I can help full out. what can you possibly say? It's positively awful what happened and this kid should serve serious time for his crimes. Ideally the haredi community would learn the lesson from this that something good would come from it, like preparing young couples better for being parents. But that's probably wishful thinking. Am I one of these ” israeli correspondents”?

I don’t know how much of the story I can help full out. what can you possibly say? It’s positively awful what happened and this kid should serve serious time for his crimes.

Ideally the haredi community would learn the lesson from this that something good would come from it, like preparing young couples better for being parents. But that’s probably wishful thinking.

]]> By: Joy http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208076 Joy Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:10:31 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-208076 This is shocking. Joe: A child was abused, doesn't that concern you at all? This is shocking.
Joe: A child was abused, doesn’t that concern you at all?

]]> By: Joe Schmo http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/04/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-206759 Joe Schmo Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:41:42 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/04/11/strange-tidings-in-jerusalem/#comment-206759 :) Ridiculous. I have no idea if this is true or not. Lets see if the city burns - you couldn't wait to see before blogging about this nonsense? Anything to knock those who you disagree with-it must be a slow news day. Its either you or Michael or Mobius or some other character. Do you feel so unsure of yourselves and so threatened that you have to grab at any rumor or report mostly third party 'analysis' that knocks your adversaries? :) Ridiculous. I have no idea if this is true or not.

Lets see if the city burns – you couldn’t wait to see before blogging about this nonsense? Anything to knock those who you disagree with-it must be a slow news day.

Its either you or Michael or Mobius or some other character. Do you feel so unsure of yourselves and so threatened that you have to grab at any rumor or report mostly third party ‘analysis’ that knocks your adversaries?

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