Comments on: Yom ha-Zikaron and the gentiles. http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: shmuel http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-219332 shmuel Thu, 04 May 2006 19:57:34 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-219332 there's nothing goyishe about sending money to help out your bros. that's a pretty old jewish custom, and it's messed up that you'd diss people for doing that. seriously. there’s nothing goyishe about sending money to help out your bros. that’s a pretty old jewish custom, and it’s messed up that you’d diss people for doing that.
seriously.

]]> By: dov http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218897 dov Wed, 03 May 2006 15:35:04 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218897 one you forgot is about israel itself. For 1000 of years our people strived to be next year in jerusalem. It really wasnt just another a simon and garfunkel song. Then we got israel back but nowadays it seems so may jews just send the check. this check sending is also very goyish. goys send money to their churches but our people should not think israel is like a church and donate time momey to help out.Jewish thinking is that israel is our country and you should live there.goyisg nonjewish thinking has certainly entered our mindset..Many donate money to israel as if it is the sunday plate being passed around at church. one you forgot is about israel itself. For 1000 of years our people strived to be next year in jerusalem. It really wasnt just another a simon and garfunkel song. Then we got israel back but nowadays it seems so may jews just send the check. this check sending is also very goyish. goys send money to their churches but our people should not think israel is like a church and donate time momey to help out.Jewish thinking is that israel is our country and you should live there.goyisg nonjewish thinking has certainly entered our mindset..Many donate money to israel as if it is the sunday plate being passed around at church.

]]> By: sharon http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218858 sharon Wed, 03 May 2006 12:34:57 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218858 Michael bravo... "But then again, it never really was about the gentile custom, was it?" the Chasidim dont belive in Israel and dont consider it, but they sure get their national insurance from my country with out countribute to the country {besides increasing the birth rate}... Michael bravo…
“But then again, it never really was about the gentile custom, was it?”
the Chasidim dont belive in Israel and dont consider it, but they sure get their national insurance from my country with out countribute to the country {besides increasing the birth rate}…

]]> By: Shy Guy http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218642 Shy Guy Wed, 03 May 2006 07:18:53 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218642 I agree with both Shmuel and TheMiddle. You don't have to insult others to retain your beliefs. That being said, IMO there's a difference between someone not standing still in Kikar Zion versus Kikar Shabbat. When in Rome, so to speak..... Unfortunately, all side involved here are filled with baseless hate ("Sin'at Chinam") over what really amounts to trivial differences in opinion, blown out of proportion. I, too, find no unique spiritual relevance in Yom Hazikaron. I do find the Siren to be nothing related to Jewish customs. That is the meaning of it being a "gentile" custom - it has no Jewish significance. That being said, I have nothing against a national day to remember those who died so that we may live. I agree with both Shmuel and TheMiddle.

You don’t have to insult others to retain your beliefs.

That being said, IMO there’s a difference between someone not standing still in Kikar Zion versus Kikar Shabbat. When in Rome, so to speak…..

Unfortunately, all side involved here are filled with baseless hate (“Sin’at Chinam”) over what really amounts to trivial differences in opinion, blown out of proportion.

I, too, find no unique spiritual relevance in Yom Hazikaron. I do find the Siren to be nothing related to Jewish customs. That is the meaning of it being a “gentile” custom – it has no Jewish significance. That being said, I have nothing against a national day to remember those who died so that we may live.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218575 themiddle Wed, 03 May 2006 05:35:07 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218575 Shmuel, would you eat a meal in front of a fasting Jew on Yom Kippur? Shmuel, would you eat a meal in front of a fasting Jew on Yom Kippur?

]]> By: shmuel http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218559 shmuel Wed, 03 May 2006 05:12:11 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218559 i guess you guys don't believe in Torah m'Sinai. well i do. idk, i'm not necessarily against yom ha-Ziakron and yom Haatzmaut like these guys but they do but then again, chareidim avoid all secular holidays and you've got to admit, these are secular holidays they're not really religious even though some folks to make them such. they're Zionist holidays, they're nationalist holidays, and modern Zionist nationalism doesn't really have much to do with Judaism. It has to with nationalism. Survivalism. But not really Judaism. So from that perspective I can see. I mean, these same people if living in the US wouldn't be caught around a 4th of July event. And it's the same kind of thing. All religious Jews feel ties to the land of israel, and almost all Jews feel ties to the people of israel, but not of all us are so keen on the state of israel. and i'm okay with that. idk, maybe to you, anti-Zionist Jews get no love, but they still get love from me, Zionist, anti-Zionist or just non-Zionist. whatever. i guess you guys don’t believe in Torah m’Sinai.
well i do.

idk, i’m not necessarily against yom ha-Ziakron and yom Haatzmaut like these guys but they do

but then again, chareidim avoid all secular holidays

and you’ve got to admit, these are secular holidays

they’re not really religious even though some folks to make them such. they’re Zionist holidays, they’re nationalist holidays, and modern Zionist nationalism doesn’t really have much to do with Judaism. It has to with nationalism. Survivalism. But not really Judaism.

So from that perspective I can see. I mean, these same people if living in the US wouldn’t be caught around a 4th of July event. And it’s the same kind of thing.

All religious Jews feel ties to the land of israel, and almost all Jews feel ties to the people of israel, but not of all us are so keen on the state of israel. and i’m okay with that.

idk, maybe to you, anti-Zionist Jews get no love, but they still get love from me, Zionist, anti-Zionist or just non-Zionist. whatever.

]]> By: Ephraim http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218303 Ephraim Tue, 02 May 2006 22:34:41 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218303 Picky, perhaps, but you should compare the account of the Flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh to that in the Torah, Michael. Surface similarities are there of course (a guy on a boat with animals). However, the heart and soul of the two stories could not possibly be more different. In Gilgamesh, the gods flood the world to destry mankind because one of them is pissed that the noise the humans make interrupts his afternoon nap (!). I mean, need I say more? But, yeah, the chareidim should show some <i>derech eretz</i> towards the people who keep them from getting their throats cut by the Arabs. Ungrateful bastards. Picky, perhaps, but you should compare the account of the Flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh to that in the Torah, Michael.

Surface similarities are there of course (a guy on a boat with animals). However, the heart and soul of the two stories could not possibly be more different. In Gilgamesh, the gods flood the world to destry mankind because one of them is pissed that the noise the humans make interrupts his afternoon nap (!). I mean, need I say more?

But, yeah, the chareidim should show some derech eretz towards the people who keep them from getting their throats cut by the Arabs. Ungrateful bastards.

]]> By: Frank Burnswell http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218285 Frank Burnswell Tue, 02 May 2006 22:05:01 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218285 You could always be a "JuBu" `JuBus' blend the communal rituals of Judaism with the quiet solitude of Buddhism. Most adherents are at peace with the paradox. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jubus2may02,0,3937916.story?coll=la-home-headlines You could always be a “JuBu”

`JuBus’ blend the communal rituals of Judaism with the quiet solitude of Buddhism. Most adherents are at peace with the paradox.

latimes.com/ne...

]]> By: Jewish Mother http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218280 Jewish Mother Tue, 02 May 2006 21:54:07 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218280 I mean, it is sacred AT HOME. Sure, in a business setting it is OK to record people's comings and goings. I mean, it is sacred AT HOME.

Sure, in a business setting it is OK to record people’s comings and goings.

]]> By: Jewish Mother http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218279 Jewish Mother Tue, 02 May 2006 21:53:08 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218279 OT but serious: A judge in New York has ruled that it is OK to put electronic-key doors into residential buildings, to track individual tenants' movements. This is very bad. Esther has to do something about this, or the world will come to an end. I think it is in the Monday, May 2nd NEW YORK SUN newspaper. (The point was to bust people who do not live in their rent controlled apartments, and sublet at a profit, which is stealing, but this is huge and horrible overkill.) The right to come and go anonymously, leaving no record, is totally sacred!!! OT but serious: A judge in New York has ruled that it is OK to put electronic-key doors into residential buildings, to track individual tenants’ movements. This is very bad. Esther has to do something about this, or the world will come to an end.

I think it is in the Monday, May 2nd NEW YORK SUN newspaper. (The point was to bust people who do not live in their rent controlled apartments, and sublet at a profit, which is stealing, but this is huge and horrible overkill.)

The right to come and go anonymously, leaving no record, is totally sacred!!!

]]> By: esther http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218189 esther Tue, 02 May 2006 18:15:09 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218189 "Ynet...if you thought we got it wrong <a href="http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3244674,00.html" rel="nofollow">in Hebrew</a>, just wait until we translate it back into English!" b'ahavah, HaKvetch Haurbani Sheli “Ynet…if you thought we got it wrong in Hebrew, just wait until we translate it back into English!”

b’ahavah,
HaKvetch Haurbani Sheli

]]> By: Puirm Hero http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218175 Puirm Hero Tue, 02 May 2006 17:56:21 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218175 Nice Referance Nice Referance

]]> By: michael http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218160 michael Tue, 02 May 2006 17:36:18 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218160 Purim Hero, please understand my meaning when I say, if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Purim Hero, please understand my meaning when I say, if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218150 themiddle Tue, 02 May 2006 17:18:51 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218150 Good post, Michael. Good post, Michael.

]]> By: Puirm Hero http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218140 Puirm Hero Tue, 02 May 2006 17:02:23 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218140 And now for a Michael rant about why he's never going to read Ynet again, and how it is the worst news source ever... And now for a Michael rant about why he’s never going to read Ynet again, and how it is the worst news source ever…

]]> By: laya http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218080 laya Tue, 02 May 2006 15:26:36 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218080 PH: cursory fact checking would have done that ynet article a lot of good. Dave is Abitbol, not Avitol, and I am Laya, which, if he actually looked at the site, there is no excuse for. My last name is also spelled wrong. All the details about the conference were pretty much wrong as well. I'm not so sure how much I'm trusting the reporting standards at Ynet anymore.... PH: cursory fact checking would have done that ynet article a lot of good. Dave is Abitbol, not Avitol, and I am Laya, which, if he actually looked at the site, there is no excuse for. My last name is also spelled wrong. All the details about the conference were pretty much wrong as well. I’m not so sure how much I’m trusting the reporting standards at Ynet anymore….

]]> By: Steven http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218070 Steven Tue, 02 May 2006 15:13:09 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218070 A very well said commentary. I think that the Hasidim would love to be transplanted back to the filthy ghettoes of Eastern Europe only if the Jew-killing Goyim would have them! Just one disagreement. As far as I remember when I was in Yeshivah, we were taught about "Ge Hinnom" and that it was pretty much the same thing as "Hell." In fact, the rabbis told us about "burning in "Ge Hinnom" if we didn't do all the mitzvot! A very well said commentary. I think that the Hasidim would love to be transplanted back to the filthy ghettoes of Eastern Europe only if the Jew-killing Goyim would have them! Just one disagreement. As far as I remember when I was in Yeshivah, we were taught about “Ge Hinnom” and that it was pretty much the same thing as “Hell.” In fact, the rabbis told us about “burning in “Ge Hinnom” if we didn’t do all the mitzvot!

]]> By: ofri http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218069 ofri Tue, 02 May 2006 15:13:09 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218069 Wow. Great article. Had I only known Long Beach was in Florida, I would have at least tried to make it there. In other news, anti-Semitism not cool, says Jay-Z. Oh, ynet. Pete, I doubt very much that the charedim are taking cues from the American left. And what, pray tell, is Black ingratitude? Wow. Great article. Had I only known Long Beach was in Florida, I would have at least tried to make it there. In other news, anti-Semitism not cool, says Jay-Z. Oh, ynet.
Pete, I doubt very much that the charedim are taking cues from the American left. And what, pray tell, is Black ingratitude?

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218045 Tom Morrissey Tue, 02 May 2006 14:49:56 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218045 A balanced Catholic contribution: go ahead and party, but take the same chick home at the end of the night. Are Jews polygamous, or just cool with fooling around? A balanced Catholic contribution: go ahead and party, but take the same chick home at the end of the night.

Are Jews polygamous, or just cool with fooling around?

]]> By: Puirm Hero http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/05/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218042 Puirm Hero Tue, 02 May 2006 14:46:22 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php/2006/05/02/yom-ha-zikaron-and-the-gentiles/#comment-218042 "a kosher, Jewish blog, run by David Avitol, a 41-year-old Israeli, and Lia Milman, 23-year-old immigrant from the United States." Lia Milman huh? Laya, anything to say? “a kosher, Jewish blog, run by David Avitol, a 41-year-old Israeli, and Lia Milman, 23-year-old immigrant from the United States.”

Lia Milman huh? Laya, anything to say?

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