When did I say it wasn’t my problem? When did I say I don’t care? When did I say I don’t worry?
CactusJack911,

If you think everyone was an activist Zionist throughout history in a state sort of way, that is the funniest thing I have heard all day.

Most Jews were Zionists the way they they were Messianists. Not activist about it, just prayers and longing. You are conflating quiescent, utopian Zionism with today’s Medina the same way certain chabadniks justify their Messianisism. It is actually quite different from the historical norm.

Even in ancient times everyone was a zionist. Not everyone was observant, but you bet your little non learned ass everyone was a Zionist and nationalistic.

Not your problem? In your dreams, man.

Yes, Isael hasn’t solved the “Jewish Problem”. But it was at least an attempt. You seem willing to live in gollus just hoping that if you kowtow enough the goyim won’t hurt you. That’s going to solve the “Jewish Question”?

But, it has always been one or the other, really. Stick up for yourself or take what the goyim dish out. You have clearly made the choice that since the Jews are too few to have any hope of really standing up for themselves, and that any attempt to do so will just make the goyim hate us, that the only choice is to just keep out of trouble and hope that they will be nice to us. OK, zie gezunt.

I agree, though, that the Jewish lobby does have power in the US. Whether this is good or bad depends on what you perceive US interests to be, I suppose. However, the idea that if the the US would just throw Israel to the wolves the Muslims wouldn’t hate us is just, well, pathetic.

But anyway, whatever. You should call up Pat Buchanan. I hear he needs a token Jew to work on his campaign.

As you know, I am a non-Zionist. That means, though I reject that the Zionist Entity has solved many aspects of the Jewish Question, I do not join in the die-ins and all that. I do not tell Israel what to do.

However, I do not find it particularly honest or helpful to claim that American Zionist lobby groups do not affect U.S. foreign policy. If they were not effective at this, they would not be in the business of lobbying. They are not the only ones who lobby. Everyone lobbies. It is legal to lobby.

The problem is that the cost to the U.S. for having a more Zionist foreign policy than it would without lobby pressure means that the U.S. has a lot of angry Muslims. That makes me sad, since it seems the U.S. is paying a price for being so warm to the wishes of the Zionist community.

I find one way Jews (like TM) deal with this problem is by pretending there is no cost to the U.S. for being as pro-Zionist Entity as it is. That they are actually doing only what is best for them.

But I don’t agree. I think there is a terrible cost to the U.S., and it is lobby driven (though not just by the Jews, though even there, with the Christian Zionists, it’s still kinda motivated by Jewish influence — but anyway, that’s not by problem.)

What’s your point, DK? Could you spell it out, please? It seems pretty obvious to me, extrapolating from your stances on various other issues, but I want to hear you explain it yourself rather than putting words in your mouth.

Besides, as I recall, your view is that Jews should simply stay out of public life in the countries in which they live lest they cause somebody to view them negatively. That seems impossible to me. In fact, it is the opposite of our obligation as members of the larger community.

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You can save these video files files to disk and study the cunning covert anti-Semitic rethorics closely:

Walt & Mearsheimer Videos – The Israel Lobby

Stephen Walt & John Mearsheimer, Israel Lobby Cair conference C-span 08240606.
Downloadable Real Media video downloads split in 3 parts 32, 37, and 14 MB.

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Walt & Mearsheimer in Australia (Windows Media Video download): Pro Israel lobby heavily influencing US policies

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Walt & Mearsheimer in Australia (Windows Media Video download):

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The Israel Lobby – Walt & Mearsheimers Article (text)

Just another anti-semetic attack, but now with academic status. Remember Hitlers “scientists”? Walt and Mearsheimer must be longing for the days of the Reich, or are they looking forward to the Kaliphate?