I was in Spain, surrounded by fallen-away Catholics when “Papa ha muerto” and Benedict/Raztinger was made commisioner of the National Football League. Being in Spain during that time was fascinating (it was close to Santa Semana) and we had many late-night discussions in broken English about the possible papal candidates and how that related to Jews, Israel and Nostradomus’ endtime prophecies…

While I still feel that WIB (as opposed to “MIB II”) are more misguided than the inherently evil, I do see them in a slightl different light. Just not as extreme as ck and some commentators. I just wish Jewlicious was around in ’82 when I was assigned a term paper in which I had to solve the Jerusalem issue in five pages or less. Now I just struggle with separating Cat Stevens from Yusef Islam (one the the late songwriter; the other can’t get through customs).

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middle, ck may be surprised but I’ll second your prop to his fun and clever posts. (Although I’ll have to take your word on the sophisticated part.) He stands up for them like a mensch and doesn’t take any poo from an old fart like me. Seems to me the kind of guy you want on your ultimate frisbee team or on your side in a Crown Heights street fight; who will take down mindless bubbehbots the same way he’d do nasrallah. The kind of guy you don’t threaten to sue even if he asks you too. And as far as discussin being stifled, he’s the kind of guy who provoked 30 comments and counting on a week-old post about evil incontinent women (the last five or so of which went over my head). Gotta love that.

The minute you don’t agree, strongly, it is assumed you think the speaker should not have the right to continue to exist, or anyway, to speak.

How insulting. And baseless.

Stifles all discussion.

I guess, in the end, if I’m gonna get real mean-spririted I’m gonna save it for Nutarei Karta and these psuedo-intellectual anti-semitic liberals infesting our campuses and the internet. Hopefully in an intellectual and reasoned manner but I can bitch-slap if need be.

ck – I have no doubt you could kick my lawyer’s ass. If you can find the prick you have my blessing. And I never wanted to sue you. Except, you remember, I distinctly heard you say “sue me” and I just wanted to be a mensch. Anyways, I’m not looking for a nasty lawyer so if you’re interested…

And I stand by my movie idea.

CK is mocking their age because they are using their age to give weight to their views. But GM would say that is an ad hominem defense, and he would never allow it. Judge their views on the merits alone, he would say.

I am no youngster either so I resent the hijacking of white hair. Not that I am as old as these folks.

Being old is no excuse for having no sense.

I would see how Neil wouldn’t find that funny. His predicament puts the argument in a different light. If WIB do, in fact, use the same tactics as television evangelists, jews for jesus, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Sierra Club and others who scam and prey on the elderly, more often than not to steal their money, they should be properly exposed and with the same vigor ck’s post had. Arguing against their politics is one thing and should be kept on a level of discourse. But if it’s about Neil’s situation with his mother, what he describes as a devious and manipulative scam – that’s where the attack on WIB should lie. I would hope, Neil, that if your mother joined the JTF or like-minded organizations you’d be just as incensed. I would say the same about how the Freemasons snatched my old man but he seems to be having too good a time secretly running the country.

And ck – My lawyer advised me that, since you have no desire to apologize, I’m to stop asking you to. You’ll be hearing from my lawyer.

david smith: You are, as always, courteously invited, perhaps even strongly encouraged, to stop reading my posts if they cause such an affront to your sense of civility, tact and decency. I’d hate to be the cause of anyone thinking that you’re a dry, humorless, hyper-sensitive, curmudgeon with an axe to grind. Which I’m sure you’re not.

We were a bit amused by the notion of conferring that particular title on a professional bowler, but were delighted at having obtained a lifelong moniker for those public figures that distinguished themselves with their singular refinement, magnanimity, and grace.

It’s been a long time since anyone earned the designation so decisively, but there it is:

CK of Jewlicious: Mr. Style, Mr. Class.

My comments on your post was less about the WIB’s politics or the timing of their protest. It was about how the the cattiness of your post and how it revealed something about how on edge Israelis and diaspora Jews are that you’re going after WIB by making fun of their soiled undergarments. Who isn’t as frustrated not only with hizbollah and hamas but moreso with hypocritaleft and an international media eager to demonize Israel. It’s like what Lieberman’s going through: While I disagree with Lieberman’s support Bush’s Iraq war choice and his tendency to sometimes legislate morality, his voting record is staunchly Democratic. But when you displease the self-righteous wing of the left you’re screwed. They eat their own. So I feel your need to vent – but ck, is making fun of old ladies’ incontinence gonna make you feel better? Listen, I’m sick of sitting in a wine bar trying to explain to my so-called progessive wine snob friends (who can’t appreciate a good martini with blue cheese olives or a fine scotch) what went down at Sharm Al Sheik and how Arafat stabbed Barak and Clinton in the back, or the fact that Israel’s Defense Minister is more Jimmy Carter than Rumsfeld, or that Jews didn’t conquer Israel but were mandated it by our friends the United Nations; I’m over the BBC and Reuters, American campuses and Mearsheimer and his mirror image the neo-cons coopting Israel and American Jewry. But the wine snobs are still my friends and I want to educate them. But they won’t listen if I make fun of them being wine snobs. In times of war it’s easy to draw lines within your own people. But I can’t equate WIB with terrorim. Maybe your post got to me because I”m not that far off from being a Depends-wearing, assisted-living crusty old man. But don’t you feel just a little bad for saying all that stuff about the bubbehs who’s only real crime is an overly-quixotic view of how to achieve peace? That you made your point clearly about their right to protest doesn’t diminish how sad I felt thinking of bubbeh’s pain at her grandchildren not calling… that’s just plain mean. If you’re gonna vent shouldn’t you be saving it for Neturei Karta, the BBC, Reuters and American campuses? Aren’t you just a little sorry? Like I’m sorry about the crack about not suing you because all I’d get is your Radiohead collection. The truth is I’m not suing you because my lawyer’s busy preparing Jack Abramoff’s appeal. ck, say you’re sorry to the old ladies.

The reason I have this position, is that it looks to me like Israel wanted to fight an air war, thinking that some bombs were going to get these hizzies to pee in their panties.

I understand their thinking, try limiting casualties on our side.

that is why I would go ahead and nuke Iran from day 1.