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		<title>By: CactusJack911</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/09/jewishness-unlike-judaism-not-matrilineal/comment-page-2/#comment-374884</link>
		<dc:creator>CactusJack911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, 

I&#039;m still waiting! Also, 30% of the first 5 books and you think you know Halacha and Torah---seems to amaze me.

Zionist and I are still waiting for your &quot;proof&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting! Also, 30% of the first 5 books and you think you know Halacha and Torah&#8212;seems to amaze me.</p>
<p>Zionist and I are still waiting for your &#8220;proof&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CactusJack911</title>
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		<dc:creator>CactusJack911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you gentilized Jews yapping about now?

Steve Ricks, where&#039;s your &quot;proof&quot; to any of the nonsense you&#039;ve been spouting. Zionist Occupier and I are still waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you gentilized Jews yapping about now?</p>
<p>Steve Ricks, where&#8217;s your &#8220;proof&#8221; to any of the nonsense you&#8217;ve been spouting. Zionist Occupier and I are still waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrestling&#039;s a perfectly healthy way to repress confusing, homophile tendencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrestling&#8217;s a perfectly healthy way to repress confusing, homophile tendencies.</p>
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		<title>By: CactusJack911</title>
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		<dc:creator>CactusJack911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obsessed with wrestling? I watched it was younger. It was either learn stupid stuff in Conservative hebrew school or watch wrestling and play ball. The normal boys watched wrestling and played ball.  The normal girls were caring about stuffing their bras and their makeup.  It was the socially inept kids that grasped towards Reform and Conservative Judaism. Take a look at Hillel&#039;s on campus! Ever wonder why it goes from 500 on the first event, to  12 the next...and it&#039;s those same 12 every single time.

Only true Judaism is cool. The rest is boring. Why commit your life to something that you don&#039;t believe or even can live properly.

Tit for Tat buddy.  BTW If you have gay desires but don&#039;t act on them I dont believe that officially makes you gay. You just need to learn how to control it and get rid of it. ArutzSheva used to have a link to help people with this problem.

And no, you didn&#039;t sit next to me on a flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obsessed with wrestling? I watched it was younger. It was either learn stupid stuff in Conservative hebrew school or watch wrestling and play ball. The normal boys watched wrestling and played ball.  The normal girls were caring about stuffing their bras and their makeup.  It was the socially inept kids that grasped towards Reform and Conservative Judaism. Take a look at Hillel&#8217;s on campus! Ever wonder why it goes from 500 on the first event, to  12 the next&#8230;and it&#8217;s those same 12 every single time.</p>
<p>Only true Judaism is cool. The rest is boring. Why commit your life to something that you don&#8217;t believe or even can live properly.</p>
<p>Tit for Tat buddy.  BTW If you have gay desires but don&#8217;t act on them I dont believe that officially makes you gay. You just need to learn how to control it and get rid of it. ArutzSheva used to have a link to help people with this problem.</p>
<p>And no, you didn&#8217;t sit next to me on a flight.</p>
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		<title>By: ramon marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramon marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cactus - you seem like a nice young man straight out of Philip Roth&#039;s &quot;The Counterlife&quot; and did I just sit next to you on a flight from L.A. to NYC?   

So as I say adios after having learned so little, let me finally say from your last couple &quot;points&quot; about sexual preference, it makes sense you&#039;re a pro wrestling fan...

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/j/japanese-pool-boy.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0018,adim,14537,3.html
http://slashwrestling.com/guests/glitter.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cactus &#8211; you seem like a nice young man straight out of Philip Roth&#8217;s &#8220;The Counterlife&#8221; and did I just sit next to you on a flight from L.A. to NYC?   </p>
<p>So as I say adios after having learned so little, let me finally say from your last couple &#8220;points&#8221; about sexual preference, it makes sense you&#8217;re a pro wrestling fan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CactusJack911</title>
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		<dc:creator>CactusJack911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raven I think was the best Jewish wrestler ever. He&#039;s act was great-sitting in the middle of the ring or in the corner.

Kahane and Kahana probably aren&#039;t related if Rav Kahana was not a Cohen. What probably happened was   there was a son in the family however many years ago who fled during a pogram and wound up living with a relative or a family with the last name Kahana so he took that last name. That&#039;s what happens when a Segal isn&#039;t a Levite and a Kaplan isn&#039;t a Kohen.

And no Rav Kahane didn&#039;t take that last name. Kohen&#039;s are Cohen, Kahn, Kaplan, etc or variations of the sellings. But not all of them are Kohen by what I described below. You can&#039;t convert to become a Cohen. It&#039;s the direct line from Aaron Ha Cohen.

We dont force people to act like observant Jews. It&#039;s your choice. Want to practice Judaism, you practice Judaism. However you just don&#039;t make up your own form of Judaism which is what the Reform and Conservative movement did to fit into gentile society and be more gentile. You know why Reform call it &quot;temples&quot;. It was a way to tell the Orthodox and the Germans that our Temple is in Germany not in Israel. I wonder why they never taught that in Hebrew School. Or better yet why in the Conservative movement they bashed Solavcheck who proved you can be Halachic and live in America at the sametime. You got tracked into the system like I did and many other Bal Teshuvas did. However, we all pray that you &#039;snap out of it&#039; and make youre return because after all you are a brother. The Torah says when you leave Eretz Yisrael you start worshipping G-ds unlike your forefathers. Well, I bet you anything Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and King David wouldn&#039;t be reform or conservative. They would be Torah Halachic Jews. And I&#039;m pretty sure moschiach won&#039;t be a homo, or say it&#039;s cool to be gay which is what the conservative movement is now saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raven I think was the best Jewish wrestler ever. He&#8217;s act was great-sitting in the middle of the ring or in the corner.</p>
<p>Kahane and Kahana probably aren&#8217;t related if Rav Kahana was not a Cohen. What probably happened was   there was a son in the family however many years ago who fled during a pogram and wound up living with a relative or a family with the last name Kahana so he took that last name. That&#8217;s what happens when a Segal isn&#8217;t a Levite and a Kaplan isn&#8217;t a Kohen.</p>
<p>And no Rav Kahane didn&#8217;t take that last name. Kohen&#8217;s are Cohen, Kahn, Kaplan, etc or variations of the sellings. But not all of them are Kohen by what I described below. You can&#8217;t convert to become a Cohen. It&#8217;s the direct line from Aaron Ha Cohen.</p>
<p>We dont force people to act like observant Jews. It&#8217;s your choice. Want to practice Judaism, you practice Judaism. However you just don&#8217;t make up your own form of Judaism which is what the Reform and Conservative movement did to fit into gentile society and be more gentile. You know why Reform call it &#8220;temples&#8221;. It was a way to tell the Orthodox and the Germans that our Temple is in Germany not in Israel. I wonder why they never taught that in Hebrew School. Or better yet why in the Conservative movement they bashed Solavcheck who proved you can be Halachic and live in America at the sametime. You got tracked into the system like I did and many other Bal Teshuvas did. However, we all pray that you &#8217;snap out of it&#8217; and make youre return because after all you are a brother. The Torah says when you leave Eretz Yisrael you start worshipping G-ds unlike your forefathers. Well, I bet you anything Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and King David wouldn&#8217;t be reform or conservative. They would be Torah Halachic Jews. And I&#8217;m pretty sure moschiach won&#8217;t be a homo, or say it&#8217;s cool to be gay which is what the conservative movement is now saying.</p>
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		<title>By: ramon marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramon marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cactus, I thought you may have been referring to an older gent named Rav Kahana (although spelled sometimes as &quot;Kahane&quot;) who was an interesting character in his time...

&quot;Rav Kahana, a Bavli (Babylonian), killed a man who threatened to inform on another man to the authorities. His rebbe, Rav, sent him to Eretz Yisrael, to the yeshiva of Rav Yohannan in Tiberius. As a sort of penance for the killing, Rav Kahana was supposed to be sort of incognito for seven years! But he was quickly discovered to be a great scholar-a lion...&quot;

It&#039;s interesting to me because during Rav Kahana&#039;s time there was so much infighting amongst Jews (no way!) from different regions - for example between Palestinian (Eretz Y&#039;sroal if you must) and Babylonian Jews, which led to Rav Kahana&#039;s life as a scholar-in-exile... 

But Cactus, you already know all this and I apologize for the mix-up. I haven&#039;t studied this stuff for years and maybe you can clear this up: Did your late Meir Kahane took his name from the biblical Rav Kahana, since there seems to be a sort of philosophical connection between the two? Honest question asked humbly and without sarcasm - even as a non-orthodox Jew I always found this stuff fascinating. Especially in Hebrew school where it was much more interesting than the language classes. I admit ignorance and forgetfullness on most of the facts... except it was a fact that old Rav Kahana was neither a Kohene or Levite. 

I&#039;m glad you found your way back and really, I don&#039;t expect you to accept my way of life - and that&#039;s what makes us a great people! I will say, if you choose to assign me a pro-wrestling name, why not a nice Jewish boy like Raven? Or The Equalizer? Razor Ramon (Scott Hall) has such problems with the alcohol, you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cactus, I thought you may have been referring to an older gent named Rav Kahana (although spelled sometimes as &#8220;Kahane&#8221;) who was an interesting character in his time&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Rav Kahana, a Bavli (Babylonian), killed a man who threatened to inform on another man to the authorities. His rebbe, Rav, sent him to Eretz Yisrael, to the yeshiva of Rav Yohannan in Tiberius. As a sort of penance for the killing, Rav Kahana was supposed to be sort of incognito for seven years! But he was quickly discovered to be a great scholar-a lion&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to me because during Rav Kahana&#8217;s time there was so much infighting amongst Jews (no way!) from different regions &#8211; for example between Palestinian (Eretz Y&#8217;sroal if you must) and Babylonian Jews, which led to Rav Kahana&#8217;s life as a scholar-in-exile&#8230; </p>
<p>But Cactus, you already know all this and I apologize for the mix-up. I haven&#8217;t studied this stuff for years and maybe you can clear this up: Did your late Meir Kahane took his name from the biblical Rav Kahana, since there seems to be a sort of philosophical connection between the two? Honest question asked humbly and without sarcasm &#8211; even as a non-orthodox Jew I always found this stuff fascinating. Especially in Hebrew school where it was much more interesting than the language classes. I admit ignorance and forgetfullness on most of the facts&#8230; except it was a fact that old Rav Kahana was neither a Kohene or Levite. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you found your way back and really, I don&#8217;t expect you to accept my way of life &#8211; and that&#8217;s what makes us a great people! I will say, if you choose to assign me a pro-wrestling name, why not a nice Jewish boy like Raven? Or The Equalizer? Razor Ramon (Scott Hall) has such problems with the alcohol, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: CactusJack911</title>
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		<dc:creator>CactusJack911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course I&#039;m talking about Rav Kahane. Who the heck are you talking about? and the wrestling names sort of spice things up a bit---&quot;chico&quot;.

&quot;But I do know you will never accept my western/Conservative upbringing and it only reinforces my opinions of the future of our religion.&quot;

Well you grew up Gentilized and Westernized! Guess what! So did I. Gues what? So did the Helenized Jews at the time of the 2nd temple period! I always wondered why reform and conservative and heck even some liberal modern orthodox rabbis make the connection there. But all the resources are there to come back to the truth. However you probably aren&#039;t interested or don&#039;t care so that&#039;s your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course I&#8217;m talking about Rav Kahane. Who the heck are you talking about? and the wrestling names sort of spice things up a bit&#8212;&#8221;chico&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I do know you will never accept my western/Conservative upbringing and it only reinforces my opinions of the future of our religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well you grew up Gentilized and Westernized! Guess what! So did I. Gues what? So did the Helenized Jews at the time of the 2nd temple period! I always wondered why reform and conservative and heck even some liberal modern orthodox rabbis make the connection there. But all the resources are there to come back to the truth. However you probably aren&#8217;t interested or don&#8217;t care so that&#8217;s your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: ramon marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramon marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cactus - are we talking about the same person? Or are you referring to Meir Kahane?

And what is with the pro-wrestling names?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cactus &#8211; are we talking about the same person? Or are you referring to Meir Kahane?</p>
<p>And what is with the pro-wrestling names?</p>
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		<title>By: CactusJack911</title>
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		<dc:creator>CactusJack911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve what in the world are you talking about again?

Be blessed your children fixed the &quot;wrong&quot; of previous generations by coming back to Torah. Baruch Hashem for that. You should be very proud of them.

&quot;The Neo-Orthodox position, is to just accept everything that is, as is. This is a perfect example.&quot;  

That&#039;s not true at all. Where exactly are you getting your facts from? Have you ever stepped foot in a Yeshiva before? There you see people going nuts at Rabbis and fellow students asking for the facts, and then they come out. I highly recommend you going to one. This way you can post your findings on this messageboard and no come across as just throwing blanket statements out there.

&quot;There is a reason to look into why the Chachamim made the change from Biblical Patrilineal to Matrilinieal, WHEN they did.&quot;

There was no CHANGE. I proved up against that it wasn&#039;t a &quot;change&quot;.  You&#039;re making stuff up again. Why do you keep tryin to blasphemize the Torah? It is flat out sickening.

Please Steve, do your research.  Your research means actually doing some study.  Maybe your son who is living a Torah life can maybe teach you or set you up with a chevruta in your area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve what in the world are you talking about again?</p>
<p>Be blessed your children fixed the &#8220;wrong&#8221; of previous generations by coming back to Torah. Baruch Hashem for that. You should be very proud of them.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Neo-Orthodox position, is to just accept everything that is, as is. This is a perfect example.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not true at all. Where exactly are you getting your facts from? Have you ever stepped foot in a Yeshiva before? There you see people going nuts at Rabbis and fellow students asking for the facts, and then they come out. I highly recommend you going to one. This way you can post your findings on this messageboard and no come across as just throwing blanket statements out there.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a reason to look into why the Chachamim made the change from Biblical Patrilineal to Matrilinieal, WHEN they did.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was no CHANGE. I proved up against that it wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;change&#8221;.  You&#8217;re making stuff up again. Why do you keep tryin to blasphemize the Torah? It is flat out sickening.</p>
<p>Please Steve, do your research.  Your research means actually doing some study.  Maybe your son who is living a Torah life can maybe teach you or set you up with a chevruta in your area?</p>
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