Comments on: A Brief History of Their Fearless Leader http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Whole Israeli/Palestinian Thing Solved! at http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-507629 The Whole Israeli/Palestinian Thing Solved! at Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:25:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-507629 [...] approaching their conclusion with some side making the first move. Now, I might just be another white kid with no [sense of] culture or tradition, but I’m guessing that since the West backs Israel, that makes them [...] [...] approaching their conclusion with some side making the first move. Now, I might just be another white kid with no [sense of] culture or tradition, but I’m guessing that since the West backs Israel, that makes them [...]

]]> By: Orthodox Anarchist » The Kaffiyeh Yisraelit http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-437428 Orthodox Anarchist » The Kaffiyeh Yisraelit Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:15:49 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-437428 [...] As an art piece, I consider it an intellectual provocation — a think piece, if you will — particularly when contextualized within the safe setting of an art gallery. As a fashion accessory? I find it a somewhat troubling co-optation of a Palestinian symbol of resistance — one with a lot of baggage, as the kaffiyeh rises in ascendancy on the far-Right and the far-Left as a symbol of explicit hostility towards Israel and its supporters. [...] [...] As an art piece, I consider it an intellectual provocation — a think piece, if you will — particularly when contextualized within the safe setting of an art gallery. As a fashion accessory? I find it a somewhat troubling co-optation of a Palestinian symbol of resistance — one with a lot of baggage, as the kaffiyeh rises in ascendancy on the far-Right and the far-Left as a symbol of explicit hostility towards Israel and its supporters. [...]

]]> By: agrave http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-385460 agrave Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:48:39 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-385460 I don’t know why you people are so upset. After hearing that Charlotte Kates speech, the first thing that came to my mind was that Israel couldn’t even pay for better publicity. You would think that these people in the Palestinian solidarity would want to reach out to mainstream America. Having a public rally and basically having the message that we support “out troops”, which in their case, is the people that America’s sons and daughters are fighting against is absolutely brilliant. I don’t know why you people are so upset. After hearing that Charlotte Kates speech, the first thing that came to my mind was that Israel couldn’t even pay for better publicity. You would think that these people in the Palestinian solidarity would want to reach out to mainstream America. Having a public rally and basically having the message that we support “out troops”, which in their case, is the people that America’s sons and daughters are fighting against is absolutely brilliant.

]]> By: Goy Boy http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-385383 Goy Boy Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:38:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-385383 Oh too funny. Why doesn't she take all that extra anger and go dig some ditches with it. Oh too funny. Why doesn’t she take all that extra anger and go dig some ditches with it.

]]> By: ramon marcos http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-385184 ramon marcos Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:42:39 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-385184 middle - I was kidding. Is he extreme? No. Irritating? Yes. As Nakia said, he's just a flirter. Bad humor. "Dershowitz" just rolls off the tongue (in-cheek). Barri - no apologies necessary. And I can see your point about the ISM. middle – I was kidding. Is he extreme? No. Irritating? Yes. As Nakia said, he’s just a flirter. Bad humor. “Dershowitz” just rolls off the tongue (in-cheek).

Barri – no apologies necessary. And I can see your point about the ISM.

]]> By: Nakia http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-385019 Nakia Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:30:19 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-385019 I could see Dershowitz as extreme- I live near Cambridge, and I've seen him and heard him. He does tend to flirt with the deep end. He does not, however, often dive in and start playing Marco Polo- that proclivity belongs to the Charlottes on both sides. I could see Dershowitz as extreme- I live near Cambridge, and I’ve seen him and heard him. He does tend to flirt with the deep end. He does not, however, often dive in and start playing Marco Polo- that proclivity belongs to the Charlottes on both sides.

]]> By: Barri http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384988 Barri Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:50:43 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384988 Oh, no, I realized that the main source here is the footage and ancedotal experience--just noted the referenced link about her. And noted that, in general, it never hurts to remind people to check their sources--I know I don't as often as I should. (BTW, I, personally, think the ISM makes a farce of genuine criticism and concern for Israeli action and Palestinian suffering, and leftists/radicals to boot, to the detriment of all involved.) Also, apologies if this doubleposts. Oh, no, I realized that the main source here is the footage and ancedotal experience–just noted the referenced link about her. And noted that, in general, it never hurts to remind people to check their sources–I know I don’t as often as I should. (BTW, I, personally, think the ISM makes a farce of genuine criticism and concern for Israeli action and Palestinian suffering, and leftists/radicals to boot, to the detriment of all involved.)

Also, apologies if this doubleposts.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384986 themiddle Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:30:35 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384986 Dershowitz is extreme? Are you kidding? Dershowitz is extreme? Are you kidding?

]]> By: ramon marcos http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384974 ramon marcos Sat, 14 Oct 2006 05:42:49 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384974 Barri - the only source here is Kates, the video and what she stands for. It's dangerous to use one extreme (i.e. Limbaugh, Horowitz, Dershowitz or whoever) to argue against the other extreme. Barri – the only source here is Kates, the video and what she stands for. It’s dangerous to use one extreme (i.e. Limbaugh, Horowitz, Dershowitz or whoever) to argue against the other extreme.

]]> By: Barri http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384967 Barri Sat, 14 Oct 2006 05:23:00 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384967 FYI, there's little information on the StoptheISM.com site on _who_ exactly they are. My cursory Google search only comes up with mentions of FrontPageMag.com, David Horowitz's neo-con rag, and Lee Kaplan, one of its writers. In my experience, FrontPageMag.com has nasty, almost-laughable (albeit scary), somewhat-extreme positions on par with some of the ISM activists. (Fun fact: A quick perusal on the main page of the site lists "Restoration Weekend" with feature speakers such as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.) One of Horowitz's most interesting rants has culminated in a book, a list of the 100 most dangerous professors in America. Two of those professors were MY professors and advisors, Gordie Fellman and Dessima Williams. Other articles of his attack the Peace and Conflict Studies Department, a department Gordie chairs and I graduated from, and ARC (Activist Resource Center), a campus organization I was involved in numerous forms. And while I obviously have a bias (politically and personally), Horowitz is so completely off-base it horrifies me. (His rhetoric is so unbelievable that, with every article published, everyone read his commentaries with a grain of salt, took them as a badge of honor and continued on our with our merry leftist-pinko-commie-antichrist activities.) Basically, this is a friendly reminder to always investigate and judge all of your sources. :) FYI, there’s little information on the StoptheISM.com site on _who_ exactly they are. My cursory Google search only comes up with mentions of FrontPageMag.com, David Horowitz’s neo-con rag, and Lee Kaplan, one of its writers.

In my experience, FrontPageMag.com has nasty, almost-laughable (albeit scary), somewhat-extreme positions on par with some of the ISM activists. (Fun fact: A quick perusal on the main page of the site lists “Restoration Weekend” with feature speakers such as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.) One of Horowitz’s most interesting rants has culminated in a book, a list of the 100 most dangerous professors in America. Two of those professors were MY professors and advisors, Gordie Fellman and Dessima Williams. Other articles of his attack the Peace and Conflict Studies Department, a department Gordie chairs and I graduated from, and ARC (Activist Resource Center), a campus organization I was involved in numerous forms. And while I obviously have a bias (politically and personally), Horowitz is so completely off-base it horrifies me. (His rhetoric is so unbelievable that, with every article published, everyone read his commentaries with a grain of salt, took them as a badge of honor and continued on our with our merry leftist-pinko-commie-antichrist activities.)

Basically, this is a friendly reminder to always investigate and judge all of your sources. :)

]]> By: ramon marcos http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384770 ramon marcos Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:38:57 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384770 Finally go the sound working. middle, I'm trying to see it, Ms. lawyer/finger, but it's just not working for me. ck - hearing that woman's angst was the only emotional aspect to the video. All the speakers sounded like robots. Sure ain't like the old days. Finally go the sound working. middle, I’m trying to see it, Ms. lawyer/finger, but it’s just not working for me. ck – hearing that woman’s angst was the only emotional aspect to the video. All the speakers sounded like robots. Sure ain’t like the old days.

]]> By: WorldMojo.com - Business, Politics, Markets, Policy, Social Trends, News » The Bourbs Solves the http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384737 WorldMojo.com - Business, Politics, Markets, Policy, Social Trends, News » The Bourbs Solves the Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:27:48 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384737 [...] Of course, every party starts with invitations, so someone has to send them out. After all, whether it’s chess or football, all war-games only start approaching their conclusion with some side making the first move. Now, I might just be another white kid with no [sense of] culture or tradition, but I’m guessing that since the West backs Israel, that makes them white. [...] [...] Of course, every party starts with invitations, so someone has to send them out. After all, whether it’s chess or football, all war-games only start approaching their conclusion with some side making the first move. Now, I might just be another white kid with no [sense of] culture or tradition, but I’m guessing that since the West backs Israel, that makes them white. [...]

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384710 ck Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:50:19 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384710 They call Charlotte Kates "<a href="http://www.stevesilver.net/mt/archives/002160.html" rel="nofollow">Little Red Kaffiyah Hood</a>" As a result of this post, I've trawled through numerous activista Web sites, seen videos of rallies, read 1st person accounts etc., and I've learned one important thing. If tomorrow it will be the general consensus that Jelly doughnuts are the evilest thing in the world, Palestinian activists likle Charlotte Kates will be on the street chanting "ISRAEL IS JELLY DOUGHNUTS! ISRAEL IS JELLY DOUGHNUTS!! FREE FREE PALESTINE! DOWN DOWN JELLY DOUGHNUTS!" They call Charlotte Kates “Little Red Kaffiyah Hood” As a result of this post, I’ve trawled through numerous activista Web sites, seen videos of rallies, read 1st person accounts etc., and I’ve learned one important thing.

If tomorrow it will be the general consensus that Jelly doughnuts are the evilest thing in the world, Palestinian activists likle Charlotte Kates will be on the street chanting “ISRAEL IS JELLY DOUGHNUTS! ISRAEL IS JELLY DOUGHNUTS!! FREE FREE PALESTINE! DOWN DOWN JELLY DOUGHNUTS!”

]]> By: Yehudit http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384529 Yehudit Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:41:55 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384529 When Kates was at Rutgers, she was so scary that <a href="http://www.hfienberg.com/kesher/2003/09/face-time.html" rel="nofollow">the Arab students in that ISM chapter</a> formed another more moderate one without her. They figured she was hurting the cause. <a href="http://brain-terminal.com/posts/2003/10/20/when-protesters-attack" rel="nofollow">Kates was also videoed at Rutgers</a> by Evan Coyne Maloney. That may have been the first amateur blogger video where someone films aggressive protestors surrounding and threatening him and trying to break his camera. Of course, they're all over the place now. When Kates was at Rutgers, she was so scary that the Arab students in that ISM chapter formed another more moderate one without her. They figured she was hurting the cause.

Kates was also videoed at Rutgers by Evan Coyne Maloney. That may have been the first amateur blogger video where someone films aggressive protestors surrounding and threatening him and trying to break his camera. Of course, they’re all over the place now.

]]> By: ramon marcos http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384503 ramon marcos Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:05:36 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384503 middle - that dude is more george michael than hizbollah... Nakia, good point, except they're not better looking. It's just being in NYC they have better thrift stores. Culture shopping is a normal byproduct of university life. Most grow out of it. Charlotte Kates didn't. middle – that dude is more george michael than hizbollah… Nakia, good point, except they’re not better looking. It’s just being in NYC they have better thrift stores. Culture shopping is a normal byproduct of university life. Most grow out of it. Charlotte Kates didn’t.

]]> By: Nakia http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384477 Nakia Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:10:29 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384477 Good grief. They are as bad as the Christian right-wing Zionists, only better looking. With friends like these, Palestinians don't need enemies. And as someone who's gone "culture shopping", a word to those who are: you've got a culture, and most likely a pretty good one. Go find it, and you won't need to fake an accent, find costumes to fit, and you won't worry about forgetting your "lines". Be yourself- it's way easier, albeit a mite less amusing to watch. Good grief. They are as bad as the Christian right-wing Zionists, only better looking. With friends like these, Palestinians don’t need enemies.
And as someone who’s gone “culture shopping”, a word to those who are: you’ve got a culture, and most likely a pretty good one. Go find it, and you won’t need to fake an accent, find costumes to fit, and you won’t worry about forgetting your “lines”. Be yourself- it’s way easier, albeit a mite less amusing to watch.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384462 themiddle Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:23:21 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384462 He was on the stage talking about armed struggle and how they are all Hizbullah. Oh wait, you're right, those guys just send other people including children to do the "armed struggle" thing on their behalf. He was on the stage talking about armed struggle and how they are all Hizbullah.

Oh wait, you’re right, those guys just send other people including children to do the “armed struggle” thing on their behalf.

]]> By: The Bourbs http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384443 The Bourbs Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:13:12 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384443 Where's a suicide bomber when you need one. Where’s a suicide bomber when you need one.

]]> By: ramon marcos http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384418 ramon marcos Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:14:22 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384418 Ok middle, I can see how she can be a fun cuppa joe... but I'm guessing she's already hooked up with the blond Corey Haim-looking geek in the leather vest. But hey, there's always Charlotte. Or the gal in that amazing leopard skin cowboy hat. Ok middle, I can see how she can be a fun cuppa joe… but I’m guessing she’s already hooked up with the blond Corey Haim-looking geek in the leather vest. But hey, there’s always Charlotte. Or the gal in that amazing leopard skin cowboy hat.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2006/10/a-brief-history-of-their-fearless-leader/#comment-384411 themiddle Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:42:53 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=2765#comment-384411 What's wrong with you boys, she's spunky, clever, bright, educated, intuitive, manipulative, loyal to her cause, mischievous, unafraid to speak her mind and possessed of both a nice smile AND an upstanding (and outstanding) finger. Just the kinda girl you wanna bring home to mommy. What’s wrong with you boys, she’s spunky, clever, bright, educated, intuitive, manipulative, loyal to her cause, mischievous, unafraid to speak her mind and possessed of both a nice smile AND an upstanding (and outstanding) finger.

Just the kinda girl you wanna bring home to mommy.

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