“Good lord. How does one acquire a taste for gay sex??”

Well my friend, I just received an email with a wonderful link that will answer your question:

“Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That’s why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today’s rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products.”

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I just had a double soy latte and for some reason I can’t take my eyes off that foto of GM in the Sinai… can’t be…

Anyways, Jim Rutz is at jimrutz.com.

Steves Rick Says:

“Stop trying to make orthodoxy palatable. Nobody wants to be the bad guy and nobody wants to leave anyone out. But this is an ugly truth of our religion that can’t be denied.”

that’s like saying a moderate Islamist should not fight against the sickness that is in their religion.

Either a Muslim believes that every word of the Quran is divine or it isn’t.

Islam copied the concept from Judaism.

So, for someone like yourself, the Torah is make-believe or inaccurate, while for observant Jews it is G-d’s precise commandments, which highlight, how shall I put it, the sickness of your secularism. Yeh. That sounds about right.

that’s like saying a moderate Islamist should not fight against the sickness that is in their religion.

Which is interesting because the first safe and legitimate abortion clinic started in my lil’ hometown (in ’35 I believe) was funded by the local Jewish Woman’s Council.

Mufti, you are basically right in explanation to ck but my point is very basic and not only applicable to homosexuality. Its applicable to the whole sexual urge as I will expalin below in my response to Tzipi.

Tzipi, You are right I won’t find a woman who is dressed like a man attractive, but
thats my point – I am not making a separate case for homosexuals. If you look at my comments 80 and 83 you will se that I also point to regular adulterers. In fact the associations are learnt all around.

The Talmud says that (approximate quote) “there is one organ (limb) in the body that the more you give to it the more it wants.”

-In other words usually a person is hungry when he/she needs food and once full thats it, but the nature of the sexual urge is different. A person is not hungary for it as for food which is a life necesity. But according to the thoughts is the urge.
If a person wants to be holy and not be aroused easily they should avoid thinking about these things in general because focusing on it makes a person quicker to arousal in general.
That is also one of the reasons that a person should marry early – because married people don’t have their minds wandering to these things like unmarried people.

So you see Tzipi I am not singling out any group.
ck, does that make it clearer?

In fairness, though, Muffti thinks that Joe Schmo was claiming that the cause isn’t merely looking at hot men, but a confluence of having urges and looking at guys while having those urges. As he put it in #83:

It is acquired thorugh the constant thinking of their urges while looking at guys.

In other words, it would see JS is espousing a rather straightforward associationist psychology of sexuality.

Muffti can’t see how that view could possibly be true given all we know about the complexity of the mind and the general inability of associationist psychology to explain nearly anything deep about the human mind (other than people will sometimes avoid stuff if you hurt them and like stuff if you reward them…but see Chomksy’s classic review of Skinner for reason to think that even in that sort of setting the success of this style of explanation is purely chimerical).

But at least we should get the view right. Is the view right, JS?

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So please… seriously, how does that work?

Try again.

Sadly for the ECUSA and the Anglican Communion generally, their allergy to strong central authority is proving their undoing on the gay-rights issue. Their travails make an inadvertent case for having someone in a white cassock stand on a balcony, wave his hand, and shout, ‘basta!’

If halacha did command us to do that, however, Muffti would feel even better about his atheism!

It’s not surprise, along these lines, that people on this (and other) sites love talking about how the universe came to be, whether or not there is a gene that makes you believe in God, and the like. Homosexuality is a source of conflict on the ethical side of things, scientific views of the universe, it’s nature and how it came to be cause conflict on the ontological side of things.

So, Muffti can’t help but feel that in a sense, we are doomed to talk about these things over and over and over and over…

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Muffti loves the phrase ‘conversational crack!’

But, Laya, is it really so surprising that people get excited about this issue? It’s a real test case and litmus test for how much stock you are willing to put in respecting halacha as its been handed down. It’s one thing to be told that you ought not do various things when they are things you can live a relatively happy life without doing (i.e. wearing shaatnez?) because it is isn’t a deep and entrenched part of your identity. One can integrate a lot of this with a modern, humanistic view of morality, especially when the main tenents of the modern view of morality is to have respect for others and to not do things that cause other’s harm. Avoiding eating shrimp, shaatnez and respecting/keeping shabbat are perfectly in line with those ideals.

But the rules of regarding homosexuality are interesting precisely because they conflict directly with that modern view. And that makes them an interesting case – is it one where we ought to break with halacha because we think it is founded on an unrealistic conception of human sexual identity or is this precisely the point where we should show our faith and dedication to the tradition by allowing that tradition to trump our ethical and moral sensibilities.

Big surprise then that people have strong feelings about this. Homosexuality is the stage but the theme of the play is one’s proper attitude towards halacha, the torah and the tradition.

Don’t say that being gay is an acquired taste just because gay men may not be attracted to men who dress like and look exactly like women (according to your assumption).