Comments on: Zut Alors! I Get it!

By: Eric

Eric — Mon, 28 May 2007 05:31:30 +0000

Leah, thanks for the information. I guess this would make me an agnostic reformer with an immense appreciation for the orthodox.

By: Leah

Leah — Wed, 23 May 2007 02:30:19 +0000

CK,

I know you did, that’s why I didn’t say, “You fucking asshole, if I’ve told you once, I’ve told you 1000 times.”

But for the benefit of others who might not know and, you know, so I can feel like a smarty pants from time to time.

All my love,

By: DK

DK — Tue, 22 May 2007 23:24:21 +0000

I read that there too. Messed up, indeed,

By: themiddle

themiddle — Tue, 22 May 2007 23:08:40 +0000

Hey Kelsey, that’s the point I was making on Failed Messiah to a condescending MO dude in the post about the woman whose conversion was deemed unkosher 15 years after the fact.

By: ck

ck — Tue, 22 May 2007 23:07:45 +0000

david smith: How is Sarkozy Jewish by Orthodox parameters? Andree Mallah, Sarkozy’s mother, was born of a Jewish Father who converted to Catholicism and a Catholic mother. That makes Sarkozy’s mother not Jewish, and Sarkozy not Jewish either. By Orthodox standards.

Leah: Thanks for the clarification but, I did add a qualifier, I said “may.” As you no doubt know, “the Reform Movement uses a guidelines approach and its standards are not considered binding, they are understood and applied (or not applied) in different ways by different Reform rabbis and individual Reform Jews.” I got that from Wikipedia and if it’s wrong, please by all means, go into Wikipedia and change the entry.

Ofri: Awwww… sorry for having offended you. Sometimes I have hard days and that’s reflected in the grumpiness of my posts. I’ll try to be more compelling…

By: DK

DK — Tue, 22 May 2007 23:01:46 +0000

“David, we should be grateful that it’s less confusing than it would have been had they been converted by a Conservative rabbi.”

You know what would have been more confusing? If he had been converted by a Modern Orthodox rabbi. The haredim might never have sorted that one out.

By: Ephraim

Ephraim — Tue, 22 May 2007 22:43:25 +0000

You mean the Jews haven’t taken over France?

Damn.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Tue, 22 May 2007 21:30:28 +0000

David, we should be grateful that it’s less confusing than it would have been had they been converted by a Conservative rabbi.

By: david smith

david smith — Tue, 22 May 2007 21:09:11 +0000

So, let’s see; it seems to have been conclusively established that Sarkozy is not a Jew according to the Reform definition, and that he is, indeed, a Jew according to Orthodox parameters. Hmm, makes me wonder which standard is excessively legalistic and inconsistent with the fundamental values of the Jewish community at large?

By: Leah

Leah — Tue, 22 May 2007 18:52:36 +0000

“But get this – neither person is in fact Jewish, except maybe by Reform standards and, more importantly, neither considers themselves Jewish.”

Here comes Leah with her annoying corrections about the Reform movement.

A child of one Jewish and one non-Jewish parent is considered Jewish if
1. 1 parent is Jewish
2. raised Jewishly.

In fancy rabbi talk that is….

“The Central Conference of American Rabbis declares that the child of one Jewish parent is under the presumption of Jewish descent. This presumption of the Jewish status of the offspring of any mixed marriage is to be established through appropriate and timely public and formal acts of identification with the Jewish faith and people. The performance of these mitzvot serves to commit those who participate in them, both parent and child, to Jewish life.

Depending on circumstances,

1 mitzvot leading toward a positive and exclusive Jewish identity will include entry into the covenant, acquisition of a Hebrew name, Torah study, Bar/Bat Mitzvah, and Kabbalat Torah (Confirmation).

2 For those beyond childhood claiming Jewish identity, other public acts or declarations may be added or substituted after consultation with their rabbi.

as found:
jewishvirtuall...

Apologies for never being able to figure out how to embed a link.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Tue, 22 May 2007 18:41:41 +0000

Middle’s right. Soon there’ll be no Hungarians left.

By: Jewish Mother

Jewish Mother — Tue, 22 May 2007 18:05:32 +0000

The correct expression is “Enufffff!!!”

That is Old English. Some people prefer the more suggestive is a little questionable “Crikey!!!”

CK’s brand of vinegar is very nutritional but he may be tired.

By: barry

barry — Tue, 22 May 2007 17:55:17 +0000

From the evidence you present he would not be considered Jewish by Reform stanards, as he was not raised and educated as a Jew. (Having a Jewish father is not sufficient.)

By: themiddle

themiddle — Tue, 22 May 2007 17:46:37 +0000

I didn’t care about the swearing, but Ofri’s comment almost made me cry.

By: Becca

Becca — Tue, 22 May 2007 17:17:49 +0000

I was also offended by the swearing, but only because it would have added to your theme if you had used putain or merde.

By: Rabbi Yonah

Rabbi Yonah — Tue, 22 May 2007 16:11:29 +0000

What kind of cookies/I love cookies/cookies and milk.. Shavuous! Nice allusion to the holiday. I better put something up fast about the holiday before sunset.

By: ck

ck — Tue, 22 May 2007 15:52:06 +0000

I could also say “Hey! Let’s get some milk and cookies!” and yes, I was a tad potty mouthed, but you’re not getting all the email… plus our tipsters may sometimes be annoying but they are a good natured bunch who understand that I was mostly kidding…

By: ofri

ofri — Tue, 22 May 2007 15:43:24 +0000

I have next to nothing to contribute to the analysis of Sarkozy’s merits and/or potential, but I would like to say that ck’s tone is really off-putting to me, and it’s not the first time. I don’t know whether you’re trying to be cute or whether your anxiety over your tipsters’ supposed stupidity is sincere, but can you maybe try to restrain yourself from time to time? Do you read over your entries before you hit publish?

Yes yes, I know, I can fuck off and no one is forcing me to read. I gotta say, I have enjoyed Jewlicious in the past, but lately there hasn’t been much reason to check in.

By: Rabbi Yonah

Rabbi Yonah — Tue, 22 May 2007 15:25:36 +0000

And CK is it necessary to swear so unabashedly? Must you curse and swear like that to make a point?

Instead of “Fuck off! I got the point.”

You could say, “Thank you very much to all the annoying tipsters—now go away.”

But lest I digress.

Sarkozy will be good for France if he can continue to back up his rhetoric with action, a chronic issue that most politicians are not able to do.

By: DK

DK — Tue, 22 May 2007 15:10:42 +0000

So you think their Jewish descent affects their relationship with North Africans and Israel, yes?