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	<title>Comments on: Alan Johnston  Free — Thanks Hamas</title>
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		<title>By: Readers Edition &#187; Pakistan, Irak und &#8220;Rising Voices&#8221; - Bürgerjournalismus weltweit</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/07/alan-johnston-free-%e2%80%94-thanks-hamas/comment-page-1/#comment-656596</link>
		<dc:creator>Readers Edition &#187; Pakistan, Irak und &#8220;Rising Voices&#8221; - Bürgerjournalismus weltweit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] beweise, „keine barbarisch terroristische Gruppe“ zu sein. Aus Israel allerdings fragt Rabbi Yohanna, was mit anderen im Gazastreifen Festgehaltenen sei – und was mit dem BBC? In eigener Sache, aber [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] beweise, „keine barbarisch terroristische Gruppe“ zu sein. Aus Israel allerdings fragt Rabbi Yohanna, was mit anderen im Gazastreifen Festgehaltenen sei – und was mit dem BBC? In eigener Sache, aber [...]</p>
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		<title>By: xisnotx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xisnotx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as far as the sniff test goes, I doubt the Dogumsh knew in advance Hamas could take out Fatah so easily. Another thing, when they saw Hamas was serious about the amnesty it granted to Fatah rivals, they realized they could give up Johnston w/out being killed. 

I agree it&#039;s right to be skeptical. the lines are blurry, alliances shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as far as the sniff test goes, I doubt the Dogumsh knew in advance Hamas could take out Fatah so easily. Another thing, when they saw Hamas was serious about the amnesty it granted to Fatah rivals, they realized they could give up Johnston w/out being killed. </p>
<p>I agree it&#8217;s right to be skeptical. the lines are blurry, alliances shift.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xisnotx, I&#039;m sceptical that this is true. When you come down to it, every Palestinian militant or terrorist is on a payroll. So they were on Hamas&#039;s payroll. That makes them Hamas. Now that somebody needs to isolate Hamas from a BBC reporter&#039;s kidnapping, and maybe buy some diplomatic cache from the event, we suddenly have this entire drama about a &quot;clan&quot; that needed convincing and how they weren&#039;t really Hamas, etc. 

Here&#039;s the sniff test: if Hamas could take Fatah out in 6 days, why would any group think it wouldn&#039;t be squashed by Hamas very rapidly? Well, I&#039;d be on the phone to the Hamas leadership pretty damn quick if it were my &quot;clan.&quot; 

On the other hand, if I headed a group that used to work together with Hamas as a sub-group so that, as we&#039;ve discussed before, Hamas could distance itself from attacks that it instigated or wanted to happen, then chances are that I wouldn&#039;t kidnap a British reporter without Hamas&#039;s say-so. After all, they might not use me again if they needed me for contract attacks. They would, in fact, very possibly consider me an enemy and if they were as strong as it appears, I&#039;d be very careful not to cross them. 

Also, who benefits from a reporter&#039;s kidnapping where the terms are millions of dollars and Islamic leaders in British jails? Does a small clan that does sub-contract work for Hamas thinks it needs to release a cleric from British prison? Does it think that it would keep the money without giving a serious cut to their bosses at Hamas? OR, is it very likely and possible that Hamas wanted this kidnapping in order to exert pressure on the British and neutralize them diplomatically to a certain degree while bringing them to the table for talks at a time when Hamas was being boycotted by everybody? If they set themselves up as the &quot;only&quot; group that could get the British reporter released, they&#039;d also be the only available address and the British would never let a prominent citizen rot away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xisnotx, I&#8217;m sceptical that this is true. When you come down to it, every Palestinian militant or terrorist is on a payroll. So they were on Hamas&#8217;s payroll. That makes them Hamas. Now that somebody needs to isolate Hamas from a BBC reporter&#8217;s kidnapping, and maybe buy some diplomatic cache from the event, we suddenly have this entire drama about a &#8220;clan&#8221; that needed convincing and how they weren&#8217;t really Hamas, etc. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the sniff test: if Hamas could take Fatah out in 6 days, why would any group think it wouldn&#8217;t be squashed by Hamas very rapidly? Well, I&#8217;d be on the phone to the Hamas leadership pretty damn quick if it were my &#8220;clan.&#8221; </p>
<p>On the other hand, if I headed a group that used to work together with Hamas as a sub-group so that, as we&#8217;ve discussed before, Hamas could distance itself from attacks that it instigated or wanted to happen, then chances are that I wouldn&#8217;t kidnap a British reporter without Hamas&#8217;s say-so. After all, they might not use me again if they needed me for contract attacks. They would, in fact, very possibly consider me an enemy and if they were as strong as it appears, I&#8217;d be very careful not to cross them. </p>
<p>Also, who benefits from a reporter&#8217;s kidnapping where the terms are millions of dollars and Islamic leaders in British jails? Does a small clan that does sub-contract work for Hamas thinks it needs to release a cleric from British prison? Does it think that it would keep the money without giving a serious cut to their bosses at Hamas? OR, is it very likely and possible that Hamas wanted this kidnapping in order to exert pressure on the British and neutralize them diplomatically to a certain degree while bringing them to the table for talks at a time when Hamas was being boycotted by everybody? If they set themselves up as the &#8220;only&#8221; group that could get the British reporter released, they&#8217;d also be the only available address and the British would never let a prominent citizen rot away.</p>
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		<title>By: xisnotx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xisnotx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 02:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TM, you&#039;d asked before about Hamas and its relation to other groups:

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878414.html

&quot;Hamas used the Doghmush gunmen as contract killers against Fatah (in the murder of Mousa Arafat), for the launching of Qassam rockets against Israel while declaring it was adhering to a cease-fire and, of course, for the abduction of Gilad Shalit.&quot;

the whole article is worth a read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TM, you&#8217;d asked before about Hamas and its relation to other groups:</p>
<p><a href="http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878414.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878414.html'>haaretz.com/ha...</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Hamas used the Doghmush gunmen as contract killers against Fatah (in the murder of Mousa Arafat), for the launching of Qassam rockets against Israel while declaring it was adhering to a cease-fire and, of course, for the abduction of Gilad Shalit.&#8221;</p>
<p>the whole article is worth a read.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does Hamas have no shame?&quot;

That has to be the most rhetorical question ever asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does Hamas have no shame?&#8221;</p>
<p>That has to be the most rhetorical question ever asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Arabeyes: The Release of Alan Johnston</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/07/alan-johnston-free-%e2%80%94-thanks-hamas/comment-page-1/#comment-636684</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Arabeyes: The Release of Alan Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yohanna, at Jewlicious, however, has a few questions to ask:  And what about Gilad Shalit who is being held by HAMAS in the Gaza strip? The duplicitous [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yohanna, at Jewlicious, however, has a few questions to ask:  And what about Gilad Shalit who is being held by HAMAS in the Gaza strip? The duplicitous [...]</p>
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