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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Save The Mandaeans!&#8221; &#8211; DK</title>
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		<title>By: Shy Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-757573</link>
		<dc:creator>Shy Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike&#039;s link above, fixed:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.essene.com/B%27nai-Amen/MysticalImmersion.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mystical Mikveh Immersion&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike&#8217;s link above, fixed:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.essene.com/B%27nai-Amen/MysticalImmersion.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>Mystical Mikveh Immersion</b></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-757456</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-757433</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you are correct Tovelei Shaharit are mentioned in the Talmud. I found this link regarding them http://www.essene.com/B&#039;nai-Amen/MysticalImmersion.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are correct Tovelei Shaharit are mentioned in the Talmud. I found this link regarding them <a href="http://www.essene.com/B&#039;nai-Amen/MysticalImmersion.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.essene.com/B&#039;nai-Amen/MysticalImmersion.htm'>essene.com/B&#...</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shy Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-757368</link>
		<dc:creator>Shy Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mike Says: 
November 15th, 2007 at 2:04 am 
&lt;i&gt;The Mandaeans are the descendents of the disciples of John the Baptist. They are known in the Torah as Tovelei Shaharit or hemerobaptists and therefore members of the Essenes since John the Baptist belonged to this group.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
For accuracy&#039;s sake, they are not mentioned in the Torah or Tanach. There&#039;s a likely reference to them in a Talmudic quotation known as a &quot;Tosefta&quot; - an extension.

See &quot;Hemerobaptists&quot; in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=583&amp;letter=H&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Jewish Encyclopedia&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mike Says:<br />
November 15th, 2007 at 2:04 am<br />
<i>The Mandaeans are the descendents of the disciples of John the Baptist. They are known in the Torah as Tovelei Shaharit or hemerobaptists and therefore members of the Essenes since John the Baptist belonged to this group.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>For accuracy&#8217;s sake, they are not mentioned in the Torah or Tanach. There&#8217;s a likely reference to them in a Talmudic quotation known as a &#8220;Tosefta&#8221; &#8211; an extension.</p>
<p>See &#8220;Hemerobaptists&#8221; in the <a href="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=583&amp;letter=H" rel="nofollow"><b>Jewish Encyclopedia</b></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mandaeans are the descendents of the disciples of John the Baptist. They are known in the Torah as Tovelei Shaharit or hemerobaptists and therefore members of the Essenes since John the Baptist belonged to this group. This is their greatest hour of need and I hope countries and human rights organizations help them before it too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mandaeans are the descendents of the disciples of John the Baptist. They are known in the Torah as Tovelei Shaharit or hemerobaptists and therefore members of the Essenes since John the Baptist belonged to this group. This is their greatest hour of need and I hope countries and human rights organizations help them before it too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-728232</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramon, feel free to tell us about additional facial cream-space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramon, feel free to tell us about additional facial cream-space.</p>
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		<title>By: ramon marcos</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-728213</link>
		<dc:creator>ramon marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah... that&#039;s not enjoyment. And it&#039;s not occasional. And don&#039;t get me started about my hairline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah&#8230; that&#8217;s not enjoyment. And it&#8217;s not occasional. And don&#8217;t get me started about my hairline.</p>
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		<title>By: Shy Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shy Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Zeal, for that YouTube clip of Bernard Lewis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Zeal, for that YouTube clip of Bernard Lewis.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramon, that&#039;s ok - since you occasionally enjoy hinting at your advanced age, too, I suppose you&#039;re entitled to the average of height of previous generations ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramon, that&#8217;s ok &#8211; since you occasionally enjoy hinting at your advanced age, too, I suppose you&#8217;re entitled to the average of height of previous generations <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ramon marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramon marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah - I wasn&#039;t clear on that... it came off wrong, didn&#039;t want to imply you were taking sides... but let it be known that your 5&#039;9&quot; already trumps my 5&#039;7&quot;... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t clear on that&#8230; it came off wrong, didn&#8217;t want to imply you were taking sides&#8230; but let it be known that your 5&#8217;9&#8243; already trumps my 5&#8217;7&#8243;&#8230; <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramon, I was just elaborating, not defending anybody. If somebody really needs a lass of 5&#039;9&quot; only to rush to his defence, that person does have more serious problems than I could ever deal with ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramon, I was just elaborating, not defending anybody. If somebody really needs a lass of 5&#8217;9&#8243; only to rush to his defence, that person does have more serious problems than I could ever deal with <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ramon marcos</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-726410</link>
		<dc:creator>ramon marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jewish community is not trying to copyright the word &quot;Genocide&quot;. Although some on the fringe would like to. Yes, DK, that comment was a distraction. Although I wouldn&#039;t have been as distracted if you said ADL in instead of Jewish Community. 

Sarah, you make a good point, albeit not a defense for Kelsey&#039;s dig. For example, I was woefully unawares of the Armenian genocide (see, I said it), until my Junior High School days (not long after WWII) until I read Vonnegut&#039;s &quot;Bluebeard&quot;.

I remember after Operation Sheba the word &quot;Falasha&quot; was more divisive among the Israeli Jewish Community than genocide. There, that&#039;s my dig...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jewish community is not trying to copyright the word &#8220;Genocide&#8221;. Although some on the fringe would like to. Yes, DK, that comment was a distraction. Although I wouldn&#8217;t have been as distracted if you said ADL in instead of Jewish Community. </p>
<p>Sarah, you make a good point, albeit not a defense for Kelsey&#8217;s dig. For example, I was woefully unawares of the Armenian genocide (see, I said it), until my Junior High School days (not long after WWII) until I read Vonnegut&#8217;s &#8220;Bluebeard&#8221;.</p>
<p>I remember after Operation Sheba the word &#8220;Falasha&#8221; was more divisive among the Israeli Jewish Community than genocide. There, that&#8217;s my dig&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youtube - Bernard Lewis&#039; rebuttal of the Armenian genocide claim:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youtube &#8211; Bernard Lewis&#8217; rebuttal of the Armenian genocide claim:</p>
<p><a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4'>uk.youtube.com...</a></p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle is wrong. Why did Tariq Aziz last so long when so many powerful underlings were disposed of? Because Hussein did not feel threatened by Aziz. Why? Because he was Christian, and had no base. Hussein knew that Aziz understood that his power depended solely upon him.

So too with the smaller minorites. (Note -- Kurds are NOT a small minority, but a sizable minority.) Hussein did not feel threatened by the Mandaeans, and did afford them some protection, even if they were by no means in love with the bastard, who did persecute them to some extent, but indirectly. Not like what they are going through. Not at all.

Both Simon Jeans, Solicitor and Advocate for the Mandaean Community, and  Brikkha Nasoraia, Rabbi -that&#039;s right, he goes by Rabbi!) and President of the International Nasorean Mandaean Supreme Council reported,

&quot;Simon Jeans: Saddam used to protect all the minority groups. This is how he operated - to buy off communities. He gave the Mandaeans a key piece of land on the river in the central part of Baghdad. In return, they gave him gifts such as the translation of their Holy Book in an Arabic language, and you had to co-operate with the regime in order to survive. I don’t want to give the impression that they were supporters of Saddam Hussein...&quot;

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1657535.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle is wrong. Why did Tariq Aziz last so long when so many powerful underlings were disposed of? Because Hussein did not feel threatened by Aziz. Why? Because he was Christian, and had no base. Hussein knew that Aziz understood that his power depended solely upon him.</p>
<p>So too with the smaller minorites. (Note &#8212; Kurds are NOT a small minority, but a sizable minority.) Hussein did not feel threatened by the Mandaeans, and did afford them some protection, even if they were by no means in love with the bastard, who did persecute them to some extent, but indirectly. Not like what they are going through. Not at all.</p>
<p>Both Simon Jeans, Solicitor and Advocate for the Mandaean Community, and  Brikkha Nasoraia, Rabbi -that&#8217;s right, he goes by Rabbi!) and President of the International Nasorean Mandaean Supreme Council reported,</p>
<p>&#8220;Simon Jeans: Saddam used to protect all the minority groups. This is how he operated &#8211; to buy off communities. He gave the Mandaeans a key piece of land on the river in the central part of Baghdad. In return, they gave him gifts such as the translation of their Holy Book in an Arabic language, and you had to co-operate with the regime in order to survive. I don’t want to give the impression that they were supporters of Saddam Hussein&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1657535.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1657535.htm'>abc.net.au/rn/...</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-726222</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(See replies 1 &amp; 2)

CK, I realize you didn&#039;t write it, but you copied the whole thing.

The Mandaeans SHOULD BE A VERY SERIOUS issue, but by putting in ridiculous information (like that Saddam protected them) you get intelligent readers to question the whole issue.

The thinking goes like this:
If the article is wrong about Saddam protecting them.... maybe the whole thing is wrong..... and the Mandaeans aren&#039;t really being persecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(See replies 1 &amp; 2)</p>
<p>CK, I realize you didn&#8217;t write it, but you copied the whole thing.</p>
<p>The Mandaeans SHOULD BE A VERY SERIOUS issue, but by putting in ridiculous information (like that Saddam protected them) you get intelligent readers to question the whole issue.</p>
<p>The thinking goes like this:<br />
If the article is wrong about Saddam protecting them&#8230;. maybe the whole thing is wrong&#8230;.. and the Mandaeans aren&#8217;t really being persecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oyster,

Their problems don&#039;t end in Syrian or Jordan. If Jews had to convert to Islam in order to receive aid, which the &lt;i&gt;NY Times&lt;/i&gt; reported is happening to the Mandaeans in Iraq and Syria, would you say, &quot;Oh, well, at least they aren&#039;t being burned alive, so it&#039;s okay.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oyster,</p>
<p>Their problems don&#8217;t end in Syrian or Jordan. If Jews had to convert to Islam in order to receive aid, which the <i>NY Times</i> reported is happening to the Mandaeans in Iraq and Syria, would you say, &#8220;Oh, well, at least they aren&#8217;t being burned alive, so it&#8217;s okay.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Oyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When reading this post, I got the mistaken impression that the Mandaean population had dwindled to ~5k from ~65k due to being slaughtered. Upon reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their Wikipedia page&lt;/a&gt;, it seems that 80% of the Iraqi population have fled to Syria or Jordan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When reading this post, I got the mistaken impression that the Mandaean population had dwindled to ~5k from ~65k due to being slaughtered. Upon reading <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans" rel="nofollow">their Wikipedia page</a>, it seems that 80% of the Iraqi population have fled to Syria or Jordan.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramon, Ephraim, Oyster, anyone else...

I&#039;m sorry I mentioned the ADL, as if your comments are any indication, it was indeed a distraction from what I was trying to accomplish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramon, Ephraim, Oyster, anyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry I mentioned the ADL, as if your comments are any indication, it was indeed a distraction from what I was trying to accomplish.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Yonah</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2007/10/save-the-mandaeans-dk/#comment-725570</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabbi Yonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm the ADL is down.  All except home page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm the ADL is down.  All except home page.</p>
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		<title>By: Oyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK: Why do you resort to needless digs at ADL? It seems that your hatred of that organization is preoccupying you to the point that you cannot even write a plea for the Mandaeans without distracting your readers with jabs at Foxman. Get over it. Your beef with them is so insignificant when compared with the importance of your message to save the Mandaeans.

You realize that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adl.org/ad_new_england.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ADL has finally declared the Armenian Genocide a genocide&lt;/a&gt;, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK: Why do you resort to needless digs at ADL? It seems that your hatred of that organization is preoccupying you to the point that you cannot even write a plea for the Mandaeans without distracting your readers with jabs at Foxman. Get over it. Your beef with them is so insignificant when compared with the importance of your message to save the Mandaeans.</p>
<p>You realize that the <a href="http://www.adl.org/ad_new_england.asp" rel="nofollow">ADL has finally declared the Armenian Genocide a genocide</a>, yes?</p>
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