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		<title>By: Jewlicious &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barack Obama is NOT Jewish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewlicious &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barack Obama is NOT Jewish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] question of Barack Obama&#8217;s religion has been an issue so often that some confusion amongst registered voters is to be expected. In a recent Pew Poll, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: froylein</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/01/obama-i-am-a-christian/comment-page-2/#comment-812983</link>
		<dc:creator>froylein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramon, in Germany the policy is that if there are male and female applicants for a public job (administration, education etc.), the female applicant will be picked even if she&#039;s not as qualified as male applicants. Radical feminists like Alice Schwarzer therefore warn against such policies as they don&#039;t really imply emancipation if a woman gets chosen into a position because of her gender and not for her qualifications. On average, girls are more likely than boys to go through college / university here. The higher the level of education, the more emancipated couples seem to be in my experience, e.g. I&#039;ve got a few male colleagues that only work select hours / days and run the household at home as their wives hold better positions. Maybe the high ratio of female monarchs over here has made it easier for people to consider a woman in politics something normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramon, in Germany the policy is that if there are male and female applicants for a public job (administration, education etc.), the female applicant will be picked even if she&#8217;s not as qualified as male applicants. Radical feminists like Alice Schwarzer therefore warn against such policies as they don&#8217;t really imply emancipation if a woman gets chosen into a position because of her gender and not for her qualifications. On average, girls are more likely than boys to go through college / university here. The higher the level of education, the more emancipated couples seem to be in my experience, e.g. I&#8217;ve got a few male colleagues that only work select hours / days and run the household at home as their wives hold better positions. Maybe the high ratio of female monarchs over here has made it easier for people to consider a woman in politics something normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give Andrew Sullivan credit, Ephraim-- he knows from re-branding.  He&#039;s assertively Catholic, execpt when he&#039;s writing about gay marriage, and proudly Conservative/Republican, except when supporting Labour/Democrats.  (Granted, he&#039;s no Arianna Huffington in this regard.)

We know we&#039;re in trouble when even David Brooks&#039; heart is all aflutter at the (mere) prospect of a black man in the White House.  So much for that reactionary Martin Luther King, who told us to ignore skin color for character.  

This is progress?  Tribal identity trumps everything else?  Take a look at Kenya.

Middle is onto something.  If Barack, and more importantly, perhaps, his supporters, stick with the theme of bringing us together and tearing down divides-- great (though I reserve my right to vote for someone who&#039;s actually qualified for the job).  But if the theme&#039;s voting for a black guy &#039;cause it&#039;s his turn--  sounds like Jesse Jackson&#039;s campaign to me.      

And how about this one: electing Barack erases the shame of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give Andrew Sullivan credit, Ephraim&#8211; he knows from re-branding.  He&#8217;s assertively Catholic, execpt when he&#8217;s writing about gay marriage, and proudly Conservative/Republican, except when supporting Labour/Democrats.  (Granted, he&#8217;s no Arianna Huffington in this regard.)</p>
<p>We know we&#8217;re in trouble when even David Brooks&#8217; heart is all aflutter at the (mere) prospect of a black man in the White House.  So much for that reactionary Martin Luther King, who told us to ignore skin color for character.  </p>
<p>This is progress?  Tribal identity trumps everything else?  Take a look at Kenya.</p>
<p>Middle is onto something.  If Barack, and more importantly, perhaps, his supporters, stick with the theme of bringing us together and tearing down divides&#8211; great (though I reserve my right to vote for someone who&#8217;s actually qualified for the job).  But if the theme&#8217;s voting for a black guy &#8217;cause it&#8217;s his turn&#8211;  sounds like Jesse Jackson&#8217;s campaign to me.      </p>
<p>And how about this one: electing Barack erases the shame of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: WEVS1</title>
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		<dc:creator>WEVS1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Contentious Centrist (no relation to The New Centrist besides a similarity in political perspectives) has some excellent posts on the church Obama is affiliated with. Check it out:

http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Contentious Centrist (no relation to The New Centrist besides a similarity in political perspectives) has some excellent posts on the church Obama is affiliated with. Check it out:</p>
<p><a href="http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/'>contentious-ce...</a></p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abe, your bigotry is unwanted here.</description>
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		<title>By: Ephraim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephraim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

From the most recent &quot;Washington Diarist&quot; column by Leon Weiseltier in the New Republic, entitled &quot;Miracle Man&quot;:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I hear a lot about Obama as a &quot;post-racial&quot; candidate, and I am not sure what this means. I understand that he is a hybridity idol, Kansas and Kenya and all that--&quot;our first Benetton candidate,&quot; as a friend admiringly remarked. But Obama cannot make history as the first black candidate for president, or as the first black president, and be post-racial. Last week he was not post-racial: Iowa was post-racial, and so was New Hampshire, and so may our improving country continue to be. Obama is certainly not regarded post-racially by the post-racialists. &quot;When an African American man is leading a juggernaut to the White House,&quot; a vibrating David Brooks asked, &quot;do you want to be the one to stand up and say No?&quot; Well, yes, if &quot;no&quot; needs to be said, and if we are in a place beyond race. This condescension is not Obama&#039;s fault; it is hard to balance one&#039;s elation at the possibility of such an American apotheosis with one&#039;s refusal to regard Obama as the representative of his race. We should vote for him because of &quot;his face,&quot; Andrew Sullivan has hotly advised, which would effect &quot;a re-branding of America.&quot; But a president is not a logo and America is not a brand. If the consideration of race, disguised as postracialism, has the effect of abrogating the discussion of Obama&#039;s fitness for what he seeks, then we will have mistaken a good feeling for a real change, which is a characteristic American error. All this adoring talk has the consequence of making Obama stand for little more than his own identity.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;.

Pretty astute, I think.  

And I always had a feeling that Andrew Sullivan was shallow, sort of like a gay Thomas Friedman (not that there&#039;s anything wrong wioth that), all sufrace flash and no thought deeper than a sidewlak puddle. 

&quot;We should vote for Obama because of his face&quot;? &quot;Rebranding America&quot;?

What? This kind of insipid drivel is what passes for politcal analysis now? 

G-d save us.

The &quot;Benneton candidate&quot; quip is hilarious, but only if it&#039;s meant to be a joke. But I have a feeling that it was meant to be serious. If enough people actually vote for Obama because of that, we&#039;re screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>From the most recent &#8220;Washington Diarist&#8221; column by Leon Weiseltier in the New Republic, entitled &#8220;Miracle Man&#8221;:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I hear a lot about Obama as a &#8220;post-racial&#8221; candidate, and I am not sure what this means. I understand that he is a hybridity idol, Kansas and Kenya and all that&#8211;&#8221;our first Benetton candidate,&#8221; as a friend admiringly remarked. But Obama cannot make history as the first black candidate for president, or as the first black president, and be post-racial. Last week he was not post-racial: Iowa was post-racial, and so was New Hampshire, and so may our improving country continue to be. Obama is certainly not regarded post-racially by the post-racialists. &#8220;When an African American man is leading a juggernaut to the White House,&#8221; a vibrating David Brooks asked, &#8220;do you want to be the one to stand up and say No?&#8221; Well, yes, if &#8220;no&#8221; needs to be said, and if we are in a place beyond race. This condescension is not Obama&#8217;s fault; it is hard to balance one&#8217;s elation at the possibility of such an American apotheosis with one&#8217;s refusal to regard Obama as the representative of his race. We should vote for him because of &#8220;his face,&#8221; Andrew Sullivan has hotly advised, which would effect &#8220;a re-branding of America.&#8221; But a president is not a logo and America is not a brand. If the consideration of race, disguised as postracialism, has the effect of abrogating the discussion of Obama&#8217;s fitness for what he seeks, then we will have mistaken a good feeling for a real change, which is a characteristic American error. All this adoring talk has the consequence of making Obama stand for little more than his own identity.&#8221;</i>.</p>
<p>Pretty astute, I think.  </p>
<p>And I always had a feeling that Andrew Sullivan was shallow, sort of like a gay Thomas Friedman (not that there&#8217;s anything wrong wioth that), all sufrace flash and no thought deeper than a sidewlak puddle. </p>
<p>&#8220;We should vote for Obama because of his face&#8221;? &#8220;Rebranding America&#8221;?</p>
<p>What? This kind of insipid drivel is what passes for politcal analysis now? </p>
<p>G-d save us.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Benneton candidate&#8221; quip is hilarious, but only if it&#8217;s meant to be a joke. But I have a feeling that it was meant to be serious. If enough people actually vote for Obama because of that, we&#8217;re screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack is obviously not a practicing Muslim himself. The straight facts are that he attended a madrassa school as a child and his father was a Muslim. That is all, but still enough for me to never even consider voting for him. One drop of Muslim blood is enough to instill anti-Semitism in his psyche. We can&#039;t trust a man like that to lead the US. He would probably kick AIPAC out of the US and cut off aid and weapons to Israel. Without the US, the Arabs and Iran would be poised for a strike. We would have no choice to pre-emptively nuke their sorry a$$es; this would obviously be a messy situation, and world opinion of Israel (and alas, Judaism) would suffer. People just don&#039;t understand that Islamism is the number one threat to the world. Note the &quot;Islam&#039; in Islamism, and you&#039;ll see the core of the problem. Those people are innately crazy and violent. That&#039;s why I&#039;m hoping Giuliani or McCain wins, hell I&#039;d even take Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack is obviously not a practicing Muslim himself. The straight facts are that he attended a madrassa school as a child and his father was a Muslim. That is all, but still enough for me to never even consider voting for him. One drop of Muslim blood is enough to instill anti-Semitism in his psyche. We can&#8217;t trust a man like that to lead the US. He would probably kick AIPAC out of the US and cut off aid and weapons to Israel. Without the US, the Arabs and Iran would be poised for a strike. We would have no choice to pre-emptively nuke their sorry a$$es; this would obviously be a messy situation, and world opinion of Israel (and alas, Judaism) would suffer. People just don&#8217;t understand that Islamism is the number one threat to the world. Note the &#8220;Islam&#8217; in Islamism, and you&#8217;ll see the core of the problem. Those people are innately crazy and violent. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m hoping Giuliani or McCain wins, hell I&#8217;d even take Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: ramon marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramon marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Froylein - thanks for the observations. I&#039;d spent some time in Germany, Scandinavia, the Benelux countries and always came away with the impression that it was strictly about Left, Center and Right and never skin color or gender. Except for the issue of immigration. 

I understand there are, in Norway, regulations requiring a certain percentage of female board members in all publicly traded companies. Is that practiced in other Euro/Scandinavian countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Froylein &#8211; thanks for the observations. I&#8217;d spent some time in Germany, Scandinavia, the Benelux countries and always came away with the impression that it was strictly about Left, Center and Right and never skin color or gender. Except for the issue of immigration. </p>
<p>I understand there are, in Norway, regulations requiring a certain percentage of female board members in all publicly traded companies. Is that practiced in other Euro/Scandinavian countries?</p>
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		<title>By: froylein</title>
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		<dc:creator>froylein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel free to remind ck of adding my profile. ;)

Ramon, I wanted to add that there are many women in politics over here. The quota-regulations have led to a situation where women are elected into positions within the party platforms mostly just to fulfil the fixed quota. From then on, it&#039;s a way up, as there usually are only few - if any - female competitors. From my experiences on both sides of the big pond, I think that gender relations are more relaxed over here. Women are more emancipated in public life without getting ridiculed for their second X-chromosome, and a woman that knows how to drive a nail into a wall or check the oil in her car isn&#039;t inevitably branded a lesbian. On the other hand though, there&#039;s no (post-)industrialized nation where women are more likely to do all the housework (70%) than Germany. Then again, people here are rather peculiar about the appearances of their houses, and freshly cooked meals are common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to remind ck of adding my profile. <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ramon, I wanted to add that there are many women in politics over here. The quota-regulations have led to a situation where women are elected into positions within the party platforms mostly just to fulfil the fixed quota. From then on, it&#8217;s a way up, as there usually are only few &#8211; if any &#8211; female competitors. From my experiences on both sides of the big pond, I think that gender relations are more relaxed over here. Women are more emancipated in public life without getting ridiculed for their second X-chromosome, and a woman that knows how to drive a nail into a wall or check the oil in her car isn&#8217;t inevitably branded a lesbian. On the other hand though, there&#8217;s no (post-)industrialized nation where women are more likely to do all the housework (70%) than Germany. Then again, people here are rather peculiar about the appearances of their houses, and freshly cooked meals are common.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mystery is good.</description>
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