Comments on: McCain Chooses Mooseburgers over Pineapples

By: Alex

Alex — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:09:40 +0000

Hey MUL, are you ready to eat crow about those rumors you were promulgating in this thread, especially the Buchanan one?

factcheck.org/...

Let me know, I’m waiting.

By: larry

larry — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:44:20 +0000

Yes,,, I know it is HI and not HA, and after I posted and re proofed my post, I saw my error and tried to change it, but my computer skills are so poor, that I was unable to edit it. Plus I thought it was funny to say “HA” But I can assure you that as a person who worked in the direct mail industry for many years, I have all state, province, and U.S. territory codes memorized, and I am pretty good at SCF codes as well

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:43:48 +0000

That’s also true, BarNavi.

Tom, if you really want to have a reasoned discussion or debate about how Palin represents a serious pick on McCain’s part, I’m up for it. As it stands, I’m having a hard time finding any commentary, let alone factual evidence, that supports such a view. Given all that, the ridicule that McCain is receiving seems entirely justified, and I have no qualms with taking part in that in the meantime. Well, at least in the meantime. If you like, I could also offer up a number of links to more sober conservative writers as evidence of what they make of all this, and it’s not pretty.

It’s becoming increasingly difficult for me to avoid the conclusion that McCain, at least subconsciously, feels that he is utterly ridiculing Hillary Clinton with this pick. Maybe that has something to do with his premonition that he’ll have to live with her harping over him as one of the most powerful Senate majority leaders this country’s seen in modern history after his ass loses big time to her previous rival come November.

Just some unreasoned discourse and standard issue boilerplate to throw at you. Not like I’ve been right before or anything.

By: B.BarNavi

B.BarNavi — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:18:25 +0000

The abbreviation for Hawaii is “HI”, not “HA”.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:22:37 +0000

Until a clarification comes in between Buchanan’s statements and Palin’s I’ll go with Buchanan’s. After all, he was honest enough to admit that no one intending to vote for Gore in 2000 would have also considered voting for him. That’s pretty honest, in my book.

That’s also meant in a humorous spirit, not necessarily the best-reasoned one, for what it’s worth.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:18:50 +0000

Moderation at it again! (What is the optimal comment length for avoiding this, BTW?) My thoughts on reasoned discourse precede the comment above where I request a citation. You’ll have to wait for it, but come back to it when you get a chance. Comment #38. I think it’s pretty well-reasoned.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:11:15 +0000

Your assertion goes against those made by Buchanan himself, as well as Congressman Robert Wexler, at least as reported as of 5 hours ago today by ABC News. I cannot find more accurate or detailed sources for Palin's previous endorsements through any of the usual channels, Tom. So if you don't mind, a citation might be helpful. It would contribute greatly to reasoned discourse, which you seem to know something about.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:00:13 +0000

I notice how common it is for blog commenters to obsess over writing style. ck will tell you about the rantings of Ismail over at Jewcy on this topic if you ask him. But as long as we’re going to appeal to prose, let’s look at the actual words we use to express ourselves, shall we? Discourse, by definition, almost always refers to a discussion, which implies two or more participants to a verbal exchange. Anyone is free to dispute what I’ve said, and I’ll engage the reasons they give, either explicitly or implicitly, for doing so. I will do so on grounds that make full use of logic.

I find such an approach to be an entirely reasoned one.

As I said, reason does not require an emotion-free perspective of the world, or of any given topic, for that matter. The biggest fallacy in modern American thought is this retarded assumption that logic and emotion must somehow be mutually exclusive. But allow me to inquire as to why this assumption is allowed to go unchallenged.

And, oh yeah, I’ll also use rhetorical devices in my utterings as well. No apologies about that either. And fully consistent with logical, reasoned discourse. Just ask Cicero.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:42:07 +0000

By the way, MUL, sorry to disappoint, but Palin supported Steve Forbes (and had a job title in his campaign) back in ’96.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:34:34 +0000

No one’s prose better epitomizes reasoned discourse than yours, MUL.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:18:49 +0000

Actually, I’m generally not firmly wedded to either party, but am happy to see the Dems strike back with with a time-honored appeal to that venerable Western tradition we call reason. They can throw the empathy and inspiration in too, as long as the sense of reason is there.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:14:13 +0000

She also believes in creationism, Chutzpah. Perhaps that has something to do with her role in creating four kids — and as legend has it, maybe a fifth. God made it happen. No, really.

Well, at least the Republicans are proving themselves content to keep up the anti-science posturing. That’s got to count for something.

Come to the rational side… Oprah beckons you…

By: Chutzpah

Chutzpah — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:49:13 +0000

A woman with a B.A. who doesn’t believe in birth control or abortion with 5 kids, one who had Down’s.
Shit…he could’ve picked any shtetl-dwelling Frum working mother from Plifton to fit those credentials.
I’ve been a registered Republican for 26 years but I will be listening to St. Oprah on when I vote this year.

By: Chutzpah

Chutzpah — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:39:58 +0000

Shame, think of the great jokes late night tv talk show hosts could had for 4 years with a female VP named Cutterlingle.

(I’m still done with Jews but I still love this blog)

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:45:54 +0000

Especially when they’re already likely to be impressed by a VP’s staunchly conservative views (re: “Young, hot-blooded, heterosexual males”).

Ok. I’m done for now. It’s a Saturday. I can see Alex, his fellow-travelers, and anyone interested in entertaining his political sentiments have a lot of work to do. A lot of cleaning up to get moving on.

My condolences.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:40:36 +0000

Seriously, you've gotta check out the video where McCain announces his VP pick. Not only is he possibly ogling her tushie, he's fiddling with his ring. Constantly. This picture is hilarious. McCain could have appealed to disgruntled, female, blue-collar Democratic voters. Instead, he threw out a big political hard-on to display to everyone and called it bravery, independence, daring, grit, etc., etc., etc. Newsflash for the GOP: Young, hot-blooded, heterosexual males are not the demographic you need to go for. What a bunch of fucking tools. Seriously.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:03:52 +0000

Since we’ve touched upon the experience question, we might as well take the opportunity to tie this into foreign policy credentials/stances specifically.

Are Palin’s ebullient ties to Pat Buchanan a way to rescue the Ron Paulites back into the Republican fold?

Ha.

Ha. Ha!

HAHAHAHAHA

John McCain and the GOP are pathetic!

Absolutely pathetic.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:50:12 +0000

I have a more extensive comment immediately preceding the most recent Pat Buchanan post that is pending moderation as I write this and goes into more detail, in a less particularist fashion, about the fall-out of this decision and the events currently surrounding it for the election generally.

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:47:17 +0000

Oh, I see, Tom. You mentioned “troubling associations”. I missed that the first time.

I’m willing to gamble that being associated with Pat Buchanan will be at least as troubling to Jewish voters as all that other garbage being thrown at Obama. Actually, she wasn’t just associated with him. She actively campaigned on behalf of him. Wait, no, she coordinated his campaign in her own state. Older people remember things having to do with the venerable Pat Buchanan, especially in Florida.

We were talking about Jewish voters, right Tom?

By: montana_urban_legend

montana_urban_legend — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:39:58 +0000

Not much that was inadvertent in that demonstration, Tom; it really is part and parcel of the same analysis – and obviously so if you ask me. My take on it is that I think it effectively takes the “experience” card off the table, and McCain must have wanted it that way to somehow neutralize Obama’s ability to relate to voters from the 21st century in a way in which McCain perhaps does not. The sometimes emotional Andrew Sullivan, to whom I nonetheless graciously appeal in stirred up times such as these, quotes either a conservative columnist or one of his readers in gauging this to be an attempt at a contemptuous slap in Obama’s face. Perhaps it was. But if nothing else, I’m not minding the more learned partisan commentary right now decrying the un-conservative nature of McCain’s judgment and temperament when it comes to this event and other things, as a reflection on not just himself, but on his party, as well.

So let the Democratic leadership flame her while they can. She won’t win the cross-over votes McCain (and Kristol) sucked up to, anyway. And I think that’s pretty much all that matters in the end.