I’m a non-jewish woman and it is circumcision=yes! Wouldn’t want it any other way.

Need I say any more?

But I will if I have to. Snip Snip!

If he does wind up marrying a traditional woman, and then he went along with having his son circumcised, all that would mean is that pussy is more important to him than his principles or his son’s dick.

In addition to being needlessly crude, I would note that there are many wonderful things about traditional Judaism, and part of my frequent attraction to certain traditional Jewish women is their very respectable moral code and their knowledge of their history, culture, and yes, their own religious commitment. There is plenty to admire about traditional Jewish women besides their good looks.

I would argue a circumcision of a 13 year old is a major medical decision and not a religious one. It not like blocking a baptism where the holy water will dry off.

It is absolutely going too far out on a limb to say the Court is “invading his privacy and preventing his freedom of religion”. The boy’s wishes should not be considered here. He can decide what to do with his foreskin when he is emancipated, which is when he no longer the beneficiary of child support payment.

Parent’s who are married can agree to listen to a child’s wishes on whether to have a nose job or a sex-change operation. Once they are divorced, the kid’s body parts should remain unaltered until they can get escape their parent’s war.

Ramon, no one escapes childhood without scars, whether on their penis or on their psyche. To say the child’s life is already messed up is really pessimistic.

Let’s put it this way – at his age, he’s being orderd to get his flesh cut off but not allowed to get it painted?

And at 13 all I remember is worrying about whether or not I’d choke my Bar Mitzvah Torah reading.

I know the answer is “he’s not being forced”… b.s. he’s living under someone’s roof… that person, than, has undue influence…

It’s too late, the kid’s already messed up for life…

If he does wind up marying a traditional woman, and then he went along with having his son circumcised, all that would mean is that pussy is more important to him than his principles or his son’s dick.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Zei gezunt, I guess.

But in terms of circ, every culture that practices ritual and rite-of-passage genital mutilation on its youth cannot imagine continuing without it, as it becomes utterly ingrained in that culture. A lot of determining whether to continue something is dependent on whom one marries, as Hirsi Ali’s father found out after his daughter was brutalized through her maternal grandmother’s directive while he was away If I married a traditional girl, this would make leaving my son intact quite difficult. If I married out, it would be quite easy. So the only issue is whether I marry someone not so traditional that she believes it to be a mitzvah dictated by Hashem, but traditional enough to fear maybe it is. Many Jews are in that last category. They negotiate this in part by pretending that circumcision does no harm. But this is a rather indefensible position.

Do I personally believe that all the genital cutting of the world is tribal and man-made but ours alone is per God? No, Ephraim, I don’t really believe that. And once I don’t believe that, that makes my own personal view of this ritual different than that of a believer.

Let’s put it this way: if you had a son, would you give him a bris? My guess is that the answer is no.

Explain your position on bris millah. ck has you pregged as an anti-circumcisionist. True or not?

I don’t care about your feelings about whether or not gentiles should or should not get circumcised. Whether they do or not is irrelevant.

Do you believe, as ck’s post seems to indicate, that the mitzvah of bris millah should be abolished among Jews? Yes or no?

Hi, Ephraim!

Suddenly, I see all.

Jesus.