Comments on: That’s So Ghetto http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sarah http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1060500 Sarah Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:54:38 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1060500 Hi DK, what about all these places with eruvim? http://www.bostoneruv.org/links.htm Does an eruv necessarily cause a Orthodox population or are there other factors, too? Hi DK, what about all these places with eruvim? bostoneruv.org...
Does an eruv necessarily cause a Orthodox population or are there other factors, too?

]]> By: DK http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1060121 DK Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:12:29 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1060121 Kari, that isn't true. Again, please see the conflict between the secular Jewish population in Lawrence and the newer Orthodox population. An eruv enabled the change of character and eventually, tax dollar preference for the public school system. Kari, that isn’t true. Again, please see the conflict between the secular Jewish population in Lawrence and the newer Orthodox population. An eruv enabled the change of character and eventually, tax dollar preference for the public school system.

]]> By: Kari http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1060014 Kari Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:51:39 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1060014 I really don't see what the issue is. Most (all?) of the cases in which an eruv has built in a neighborhood have not resulted in the city magically turning into a massive Orthodox community. The argument has legitimacy in the sense that if it were to happen it could be a social problem, but the probability of it happening at least as far as I know is quite low. I really don’t see what the issue is. Most (all?) of the cases in which an eruv has built in a neighborhood have not resulted in the city magically turning into a massive Orthodox community.

The argument has legitimacy in the sense that if it were to happen it could be a social problem, but the probability of it happening at least as far as I know is quite low.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1059945 froylein Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:57:04 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1059945 B-D, the eruv appears to be a minor issue compared to the concern that Weshampton Beach could become an Orthodox enclave (with all that it entails). I'm not observant and find it utterly ridiculous that people will leave their front doors unlocked, won't push prams etc. if there is no eruv. Just as I find it ridiculous that about each and any Orthodox community has got picky variations on what qualifies as tznius clothing over there. However, an eruv is not such a major object that it will necessarily impact non-Jews' life in that place, it might even increase business. I suppose the real issue is one that's been highly discussed here for a while with regards to Muslims, namely whether Western democratic societies can afford parallel societies establishing within their boundaries that do not abide by the common law to guarantee certain civil (or in the Muslim case, human) rights. B-D, the eruv appears to be a minor issue compared to the concern that Weshampton Beach could become an Orthodox enclave (with all that it entails). I’m not observant and find it utterly ridiculous that people will leave their front doors unlocked, won’t push prams etc. if there is no eruv. Just as I find it ridiculous that about each and any Orthodox community has got picky variations on what qualifies as tznius clothing over there. However, an eruv is not such a major object that it will necessarily impact non-Jews’ life in that place, it might even increase business. I suppose the real issue is one that’s been highly discussed here for a while with regards to Muslims, namely whether Western democratic societies can afford parallel societies establishing within their boundaries that do not abide by the common law to guarantee certain civil (or in the Muslim case, human) rights.

]]> By: Ben-David http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1059917 Ben-David Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:58:35 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1059917 in democratic states there is the right to move and settle freely anywhere you wish. - - - - - - - - - - - - And Jews are free to move in and settle in Westhampton. So? Since when did a minority religious ritual become a Constitutional entitlement or one of the native rights of man in a secular Western democracy? American Orthodox Jews lived for decades without these eruvim. And they are free to live that way in Westhampton. in democratic states there is the right to move and settle freely anywhere you wish.
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And Jews are free to move in and settle in Westhampton.

So?

Since when did a minority religious ritual become a Constitutional entitlement or one of the native rights of man in a secular Western democracy?

American Orthodox Jews lived for decades without these eruvim. And they are free to live that way in Westhampton.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1059852 froylein Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:55:21 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1059852 Batya, the article doesn't mention whether Sheiffer is a Jew. I suppose he's not as the name can either be derived from the professions of a shepherd or slate-cutter, professions Jews couldn't pursue in medieval Ashkenaz. (Many lastnames people take for being Jewish are just plain German lastnames; more than one third of the US population is of German background.) DK, I can understand that. However, in democratic states there is the right to move and settle freely anywhere you wish. What the village could do to prohibit Orthodox settlement is to not designate new building property so people may only purchase or rent already existing real estate - this would then equally apply to anybody wishing to settle there. Batya, the article doesn’t mention whether Sheiffer is a Jew. I suppose he’s not as the name can either be derived from the professions of a shepherd or slate-cutter, professions Jews couldn’t pursue in medieval Ashkenaz. (Many lastnames people take for being Jewish are just plain German lastnames; more than one third of the US population is of German background.)

DK, I can understand that. However, in democratic states there is the right to move and settle freely anywhere you wish. What the village could do to prohibit Orthodox settlement is to not designate new building property so people may only purchase or rent already existing real estate – this would then equally apply to anybody wishing to settle there.

]]> By: DK http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1059775 DK Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:45:10 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1059775 I actually understand some of the concerns. What happened in Lawrence and elsewhere in Long Island provides reasonable grounds for concern. Public school funding has been a serious issue as the Orthodox community wants to pay less, rather than more, since they don't use them. The fact that there are a few antisemites who may have hatred as a motive does not eliminate the understandable concerns of many for providing the infrastructure for an Orthodox enclave. I actually understand some of the concerns. What happened in Lawrence and elsewhere in Long Island provides reasonable grounds for concern. Public school funding has been a serious issue as the Orthodox community wants to pay less, rather than more, since they don’t use them. The fact that there are a few antisemites who may have hatred as a motive does not eliminate the understandable concerns of many for providing the infrastructure for an Orthodox enclave.

]]> By: Batya http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/thats-so-ghetto/#comment-1059705 Batya Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:36:53 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5615#comment-1059705 Keep down the eruv, and keep out the Jews. At least the Jews who aren't embarrassed to be Jews. And most ant-eruv campaigns are led by... Jews. Old news. Keep down the eruv, and keep out the Jews. At least the Jews who aren’t embarrassed to be Jews. And most ant-eruv campaigns are led by… Jews. Old news.

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