Comments on: The New Modesty Patrol: Anti-Indulgence Activists http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Control | RJ Blog http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1876337 Control | RJ Blog Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:22:12 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1876337 [...] dccTamar Fox at Mixed Multitudes writes about Y-Love’s finding that there are “activists” in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Williamsburg who are [...] [...] dccTamar Fox at Mixed Multitudes writes about Y-Love’s finding that there are “activists” in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Williamsburg who are [...]

]]> By: gweitz.ar http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1067921 gweitz.ar Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:11:13 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1067921 themicah: 97% white?? CIA's Factbook has many mistakes, it's better to check the Wikipedia... trust me... it also says that 2% of the population are protestant but its somewhere between 12 and 15%... to sum up: 10% of the population are descendants of the indigenous population and there are quite a few blacks, asians, etc. But yes, most of the people are white and Germans don't stand out 'cause the girls from Northern Italia are also green-or-blue-eyed white blondes. But most important is the fact that fleeing-criminals who come to my always-welcoming-country try to pass for someone else so they tend to stay away from people who could recognize them from the "old country". So usually they don't mix with other Germans... Read "The Man from the Garibaldi Street" to understand how Eichmann lived... Froylein: two or three generations ago there were many ethnic enclaves in my country, like the Jewish ones where my maternal grandpas grew, or the (non-Jewish) German ones where you can still go during OktoberFest and drink good berr... but there are none nowadays, because Argentine's ethos was always one of INTEGRATION... that's why neighboring countries like Chile, Paraguay and Brasil have religious or ethnic enclaves but Argentina has none... there are parts of the country with more or less indinegous (or Mestizo) population; and of course inmigrants from the Middle East settled more in the hot north and the ones from North Europe prefered the cold South.... but if you're looking for a close-knitted community of German-speaking argentineans you won't find anyone less than 60-years-old. themicah: 97% white?? CIA’s Factbook has many mistakes, it’s better to check the Wikipedia… trust me… it also says that 2% of the population are protestant but its somewhere between 12 and 15%…

to sum up: 10% of the population are descendants of the indigenous population and there are quite a few blacks, asians, etc. But yes, most of the people are white and Germans don’t stand out ’cause the girls from Northern Italia are also green-or-blue-eyed white blondes. But most important is the fact that fleeing-criminals who come to my always-welcoming-country try to pass for someone else so they tend to stay away from people who could recognize them from the “old country”. So usually they don’t mix with other Germans… Read “The Man from the Garibaldi Street” to understand how Eichmann lived…

Froylein: two or three generations ago there were many ethnic enclaves in my country, like the Jewish ones where my maternal grandpas grew, or the (non-Jewish) German ones where you can still go during OktoberFest and drink good berr… but there are none nowadays, because Argentine’s ethos was always one of INTEGRATION…

that’s why neighboring countries like Chile, Paraguay and Brasil have religious or ethnic enclaves but Argentina has none… there are parts of the country with more or less indinegous (or Mestizo) population; and of course inmigrants from the Middle East settled more in the hot north and the ones from North Europe prefered the cold South…. but if you’re looking for a close-knitted community of German-speaking argentineans you won’t find anyone less than 60-years-old.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1067669 froylein Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:13:53 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1067669 Germany's as far up north as Canada; the average German therefore is a pasty as the average Canadian philosophy professor. :) Germany’s as far up north as Canada; the average German therefore is a pasty as the average Canadian philosophy professor. :)

]]> By: themicah http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1067665 themicah Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:10:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1067665 <i>So I was wondering whether there are German “enclaves” as by their appearance and language skills, they should be easy to tell from native Argentinians.</i> Given that Argentina is <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/ar.html" rel="nofollow">97% white</a>, I'm not sure just how much Germans would stand out. So I was wondering whether there are German “enclaves” as by their appearance and language skills, they should be easy to tell from native Argentinians.

Given that Argentina is 97% white, I’m not sure just how much Germans would stand out.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1067498 froylein Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:34:05 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1067498 Gweitz, from afar it appears as if Argentina has been a safe haven for a considerable number of German criminals (political / war criminals, pedophile sectarians etc.). So I was wondering whether there are German "enclaves" as by their appearance and language skills, they should be easy to tell from native Argentinians. Gweitz, from afar it appears as if Argentina has been a safe haven for a considerable number of German criminals (political / war criminals, pedophile sectarians etc.). So I was wondering whether there are German “enclaves” as by their appearance and language skills, they should be easy to tell from native Argentinians.

]]> By: gweitz.ar http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1067389 gweitz.ar Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:05:14 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1067389 Tom, as an Argentinean I disagree: my 40-million-inhabitant country doesn't have a single "ghetto" and the USA does have many (hasidic, Mormon, plus Amish enclaves). I know that many think it's easier to build a ghetto in a poor, under-developed country but the USA seems a good place too, or at least so they think the Satmar, Mormons <i> et al </i> ... Tom, as an Argentinean I disagree: my 40-million-inhabitant country doesn’t have a single “ghetto” and the USA does have many (hasidic, Mormon, plus Amish enclaves). I know that many think it’s easier to build a ghetto in a poor, under-developed country but the USA seems a good place too, or at least so they think the Satmar, Mormons et al …

]]> By: s(b.) http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1066532 s(b.) Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:21:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1066532 Submarine rolls are tempting to women because they are shaped like ... sheitels. No, really, these people are not community activists; they are community vandals. A hood is a hood is a hood. You slash someone's sign, you deface, you destroy, you're a hoodlum, plain and simple. And that sort of behavior is unacceptable. Submarine rolls are tempting to women because they are shaped like … sheitels. No, really, these people are not community activists; they are community vandals. A hood is a hood is a hood. You slash someone’s sign, you deface, you destroy, you’re a hoodlum, plain and simple. And that sort of behavior is unacceptable.

]]> By: Mixed Multitudes - My Jewish Learning: Exploring Judaism & Jewish Life » Blog Archive » Kugels and Chulent Only! http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1066430 Mixed Multitudes - My Jewish Learning: Exploring Judaism & Jewish Life » Blog Archive » Kugels and Chulent Only! Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:42:24 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1066430 [...] at Jewlicious Y-Love alerts us to a bizarre new modesty issue in the haredi community: an unnecessarily wide [...] [...] at Jewlicious Y-Love alerts us to a bizarre new modesty issue in the haredi community: an unnecessarily wide [...]

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1066320 Tom Morrissey Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:55:54 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1066320 This illustrates the difficulty of the ultra-orthodox enterprise in a pluralistic environment like ours. America may be the least promising place for a ghetto, hasidic, Mormon or otherwise. This illustrates the difficulty of the ultra-orthodox enterprise in a pluralistic environment like ours. America may be the least promising place for a ghetto, hasidic, Mormon or otherwise.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1065999 froylein Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:08:37 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1065999 What will the community look like in 15 years nutritionwise? The trends are obvious: anorexia and obesity, not much of "healthy" figures to be seen there. This isn't really a surprise when I see that most of my Chasidishe friends live on nibbling snacks and sandwiches apart from the holidays. And somebody who doesn't "know" food cannot understand the beauty of variety - as little as many of them understand the beauty of using spices instead of just salt and fat. Suppose it's analogous to the ban on music; the less they get exposed to different varieties, the less they're able to develop their personal tastes and will have their preferences set by a set of pseudo-religious extremists. What will the community look like in 15 years nutritionwise? The trends are obvious: anorexia and obesity, not much of “healthy” figures to be seen there. This isn’t really a surprise when I see that most of my Chasidishe friends live on nibbling snacks and sandwiches apart from the holidays. And somebody who doesn’t “know” food cannot understand the beauty of variety – as little as many of them understand the beauty of using spices instead of just salt and fat. Suppose it’s analogous to the ban on music; the less they get exposed to different varieties, the less they’re able to develop their personal tastes and will have their preferences set by a set of pseudo-religious extremists.

]]> By: Chutzpah http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/10/the-new-modesty-patrol-anti-indulgence-activists/#comment-1065586 Chutzpah Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:49:03 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=5744#comment-1065586 It depends on whether they will be able to raise enough money to buy off the City Prosecutor and purchase some Police Sergeants and Judges. If they can, it will look like Bnei Brak. Nevertheless, they are doing an excellent job of making it very unpleasant for any "outsiders" to feel comfortable there, and that's what self-ghettoization is all about. There was a flight of Jews out of Passaic New Jersey's 3rd Ward Park...first the reform, conservative and modern orthodox left. Now the Black Hats just have to finish buying up the rest of the houses from the non-Jews and they will never have to look at a non-frummy on Shabbat again. Ah, life is good when you own your very own State Assemblyman and when you are so offensive that no one else wants to live around you. It depends on whether they will be able to raise enough money to buy off the City Prosecutor and purchase some Police Sergeants and Judges. If they can, it will look like Bnei Brak.

Nevertheless, they are doing an excellent job of making it very unpleasant for any “outsiders” to feel comfortable there, and that’s what self-ghettoization is all about.

There was a flight of Jews out of Passaic New Jersey’s 3rd Ward Park…first the reform, conservative and modern orthodox left. Now the Black Hats just have to finish buying up the rest of the houses from the non-Jews and they will never have to look at a non-frummy on Shabbat again. Ah, life is good when you own your very own State Assemblyman and when you are so offensive that no one else wants to live around you.

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