Comments on: Bedouin Enviro-Mosque to be Knocked Down

By: Josh Berer

Josh Berer — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:07:31 +0000

A couple of things. First of all, they came and demolished the mosque on Thursday, December 25th. You can read about it here: joshberer.word...

Secondly, to Ben David:
Helloooooooo!

Unrecognized means they don’t get services from the government despite being citizens. Many of the Bedouin actually DO own the land, or they own land in the Negev that was confiscated by the state in 1948.

The village of Wadi al-Naam was founded in 1950, after the residents were pushed off their land by the military. Ramat Hovav was founded in 1979, the Bedouin were already there, bonehead. The chemical plant was built in their midst, they didn’t choose to settle there.

These are not squatters, many of the villages predate the creation of the State. They are Israeli citizens who were unfortunate enough to not be born Jewish, and therefore get shat upon at every possible opportunity.
Maybe you should read a little further into the issues before you pontificate upon why the people have health problems, and why they have no rights.

This has nothing to do with zoning laws, incidentally. Zoning laws are used as a tool to discriminate against the Bedouin. You think this mosque was demolished because it violated zoning laws? Please. It was demolished because it was a symbol of community strength and vitality, and that is simply unacceptable.

Yes, lets all sing songs celebrating racism and the unbelievable doublethink you seem to have managed to master.

By: ck

ck — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:41:29 +0000

I have a lot more sympathy for the settlers than you imagine Ben-David. That having been said, this has nothing to do with the rule of law. No one is saying that laws need to be broken and the internationals on the ground have been instructed by the Bedouin director not to interfere with or attack any personnel that come to demolish the mosque. No surprise there – Mahmod Jarbeau is an active reservist with 2 tours of combat duty and 9 years service in the IDF. That having been said, there is nothing illegal about applying pressure and disagreeing with a bureaucratic order. My respect for the rule of law continues unabated.

By: Ben-David

Ben-David — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:01:33 +0000

Helloooooo!!

“Unrecognized” means “Built on land not owned by the residents”

As in illegal squats.

What part of this don’t you understand?

… and we’re supposed to feel guilt because people who chose to squat on/near a chemical dump have health problems?

Well, Duh!!!
Maybe that’s why the government didn’t authorize residential construction there.

Maybe that’s why they shouldn’t be there.

… CK – the expulsions of Jews from their LEGALLY OWNED property (as opposed to Bedouin squaters on other people’s property) is MUCH more problematic to anyone who respects the rule of law.

Or maybe we should just go with our hearts and forget about zoning and property rights… yeah, let’s all hold hands and sing songs…

I will remind you of this post whenever you invoke “the rule of law” in issues regarding the settlers.

By: gweitz.ar

gweitz.ar — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:52:05 +0000

This is the kind of posts that makes me love Jewlicious!

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By: Josh Berer

Josh Berer — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:04:04 +0000

Read more about what whttp://joshberer.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/saving-the-straw-bale-mosquesaving-the-straw-bale-mosque/ent down that day here:

By: Sheela

Sheela — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:27:48 +0000

(Literally) chillin’ here in NYC but sent polite (but firm) e-mails to the Ministers you mentioned above.
If things start to look bleak maybe there are other NY’ers who’d like to join me in raising a stink at the embassy? If we get enough people it could be damn embarrassing for them, and they might decide it’s not worth looking so bad over something so trivial…

By: ck

ck — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:01:55 +0000

The mosque is still up. Hasn’t been knocked down yet. Anyone wanna go spend the night there after Shabbat? Call me: 054 673 5873

By: Cole

Cole — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:11:59 +0000

Hey Sheela and all who want to take action–

Here are officials you can fax or email:

Itzhak HaKohen, the Minister of Religious Service
Fax: 02 6706157. izchakec@knesset.gov.il

Meir Shitrit, the Minister of Interior
Fax: 02 6408920. mshitrit@knesset.gov.il

Zeev Boim, the Minister of Housing and Construction, and Minister responsible for the Israeli Land Authority, and the Bedouin Minority.
Fax: 02-6496062. zaevb@knesset.gov.il

By: Sheela

Sheela — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:28:33 +0000

Props to you CK for posting this. You get much respect for consistently and accurately reporting the uglier side of Israeli bureaucracy in a rational and non-didactic way.
However, I forgot who said this but “compassion without action leads to death of the soul.” On that note, any info on who we can contact to express our opposition/strong disapproval now and in the future would be greatly appreciated… I’d be glad to get involved in any way I could… thanks in advance

By: Lori

Lori — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:53:03 +0000

Batya,

This is not the disengagement. The game of tit-for-tat your playing is uneven in this scenario.

Hevron is an overwhelmingly Arab city, whereas there are no Jews (aside from volunteers) living in these Bedouin encampments. That’s because there are no Jews in Israel today that would submit to the kind of squalor that these Bedouins do. This building was built for Arabs, in an Arab enclave. However ‘illegal’ it is to build a permanent structure without a permit (and permits are not handed out like candy at kiddush to Arabs) it doesn’t change the fact that tactically and morally this is a stupid move. It will senseless inspire more resentment, frustration, and anger in Arabs and their peacenik supporters.

By: Batya

Batya — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:57:25 +0000

Nu? What about throwing Jews out of a Jewish owned building in Hebron?

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By: Sarah

Sarah — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:01:54 +0000

This moved me to comment and say thank you, ck, for writing this piece. I agree that this is a humiliating move to all of our communities.

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By: Lori

Lori — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:35:16 +0000

“Aw come on Israel. You’re better than that” just about says it. It’s one thing to demolish the family homes of terrorists; what better way to punish dead murderers, and force others to contemplate the personal consequences of doing the same. It’s one thing to demolish permanent structures built illegally in the West Bank — on territory that is still poised for divvying.

It’s quite another thing to allow a bureaucratic failing to destroy a completely harmless house of warship, built by bedouin people whose majority has maintained loyalty to the state of Israel (the guy served 9 years!). It isn’t a tactical, or humane move. Are we actually aiming to alienate every possible Arab-Israeli ally at this point? Did crapping on the Druzim suddenly lose its appeal?

I sincerely hope that the fat-assed jobniks who are likely behind this debacle shave ten minutes off their prolonged cigarette break, and right this!