Comments on: More martyrs in Mumbai

By: akshay

akshay — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:17:15 +0000

I think India government (especially, Sonia govt.) does not have the political or international acumen to deal with this scenario. India is a soft nation and so can be easily pushed around. Look at the terror attacks one after the another. The latest example is Mumabi. The younger generation of our country is either crazy for the film stars and the popular movie personalities, spend their time playing poker cards or busy in worshiping the game called cricket…huh..!

By: DK

DK — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:02:37 +0000

At least the Pakistani fundamentalists are good to their own. (Fair warning: don’t click) nytimes.com/20...

By: Grand Muffti

Grand Muffti — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:37:03 +0000

In any case, you only need beware because you are disagreeing with the Grand Muffti. Two ‘f’s, no quote marks.

By: Grand Muffti

Grand Muffti — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:28:25 +0000

Maven, Muffti was assuming that (a) the word ‘martyr’ was being used in English and (b) the dictionary gives reasonable definitions of english words. No one thinks that the etymological history gives the current meaning or else ‘awful’ would mean deserving of ‘awe’ and ’sophisticated’ would mean the same as ‘corrupted’. Muffti is willing to let the jewish perspective rule on religious things but on semantics? But yeah, so far as Muffti can tell, murder and genocide are terrible but it’s victims aren’t automatically martyrs.

By: sheela

sheela — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:15:14 +0000

Debashis,
I have very dear friends from India, who have family in and around Mumbai. I called them as soon as I thought was appropriate and was relieved to find out all their relatives have been accounted for and are ok. But now I mourn for all of those who were not so fortunate, Jewish and non-Jewish, and my thoughts and prayers are with their loved ones. As a Jew I appreciate your words, I only wish that it didn’t always seem that it takes a horrible tradgedy like this to show how much more people have in common than we have differences.
I hope you and your loved ones are safe and secure, too.

By: maven

maven — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:14:03 +0000

Froylein-

thanks! I’ll keep my guard up and my doors locked

By: froylein

froylein — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:22:51 +0000

Additionally, it’s derived from the Greek for “witness”.
I once read in some book that the term “martyr” is preferably not used in connection with Jewish victims as it is closely linked to Christian martyrs and also denotes self-sacrifice.

Maven, I thought you were busy. I’ll email you in a minute.

Beware, Muffti knows I cherish you.

By: maven

maven — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:16:21 +0000

The English “martyr” is an inexact translation of the Hebrew “kadosh”, which includes anyone killed because he was Jewish, which was clearly the case in this set of horrible murders in Mumbai, where the one captured attacked makes it clear that they went there to kill as many people as they could. According to “mufti”’s reasoning, the 6 million killed by the Nazis were also not martyrs, but that is not a Jewish view.

By: Grand Muffti

Grand Muffti — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:43:38 +0000

Are you, Morrissey, accusing muffti of malaprorising?

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