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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1151569</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latter may be the best in a series of lousy options.</description>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1151215</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What other solution is there? Sanctions/embargoes don&#039;t work. Discussions don&#039;t work. Giving land doesn&#039;t work. Treaties don&#039;t work. 

Attacking Hamas - though it won&#039;t break Hamas - can help to give temporary alleviation from the rocket attacks. Unfortunately, the pragmatic way to win the war is to take as many lives as possible and/or to take away the enemy&#039;s will to fight. Though this always works pragmatically, there are major ethical problems with it. 

Likewise, Israel can set up a government in Gaza (their own) and not worry about giving any concessions to the Palestinian people if they so choose. This can solve a problem, but again, it raises ethical problems as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What other solution is there? Sanctions/embargoes don&#8217;t work. Discussions don&#8217;t work. Giving land doesn&#8217;t work. Treaties don&#8217;t work. </p>
<p>Attacking Hamas &#8211; though it won&#8217;t break Hamas &#8211; can help to give temporary alleviation from the rocket attacks. Unfortunately, the pragmatic way to win the war is to take as many lives as possible and/or to take away the enemy&#8217;s will to fight. Though this always works pragmatically, there are major ethical problems with it. </p>
<p>Likewise, Israel can set up a government in Gaza (their own) and not worry about giving any concessions to the Palestinian people if they so choose. This can solve a problem, but again, it raises ethical problems as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1151169</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that simple.  Many of Israel&#039;s doubters internationally simply think that the current operation won&#039;t put an end to Hamas, Palestinian radicalism, or the political impasse that helps fuel terrorism.  For many observers, it&#039;s costly in human lives while failing to buy Israel genuine peace and security.

In Afghanistan, by contrast, the US had both a military strategy and a political one, the latter involving installing Kharzai.  In Israel, you&#039;ve got a prime minister who hasn&#039;t identified his war aims or outlined a post-Hamas landscape-- if such a thing is even contemplated in Israel at the moment.

Israel can and should defend itself vigorously, but this crisis merely underlines the profound nature of its strategic dilemma.  Does anyone think that 300 deaths, or 30,000, will end terrorism or make Hamas and its supporters finally cry uncle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that simple.  Many of Israel&#8217;s doubters internationally simply think that the current operation won&#8217;t put an end to Hamas, Palestinian radicalism, or the political impasse that helps fuel terrorism.  For many observers, it&#8217;s costly in human lives while failing to buy Israel genuine peace and security.</p>
<p>In Afghanistan, by contrast, the US had both a military strategy and a political one, the latter involving installing Kharzai.  In Israel, you&#8217;ve got a prime minister who hasn&#8217;t identified his war aims or outlined a post-Hamas landscape&#8211; if such a thing is even contemplated in Israel at the moment.</p>
<p>Israel can and should defend itself vigorously, but this crisis merely underlines the profound nature of its strategic dilemma.  Does anyone think that 300 deaths, or 30,000, will end terrorism or make Hamas and its supporters finally cry uncle?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1151140</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason people give Hamas any sympathy - other than a misunderstanding of what &quot;justice&quot; is - is because Hamas is attacking Jews. If Hamas were attacking a non-Jewish Western Nation, then any response to Hamas would be viewed as legitimate. America&#039;s response to Al Queda by invading a nation, displacing the government, and occupying it is a perfect example. There is no international outcry that America overreacted or was disproportionate in her response - people accept that America had a right to invade Afghanistan.  Israel, alternatively, can&#039;t arrest a Palestinian without getting some type of condemnation. Israel has lost far more people per capita due to terrorism than any other nation (if we apply the same rate of death to the United States, it would be somewhere around 40,000+ killed in Terrorist attacks on domestic soil). Yet, they are condemned for responding. 

The international community hates terrorists, but they hate Jews more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason people give Hamas any sympathy &#8211; other than a misunderstanding of what &#8220;justice&#8221; is &#8211; is because Hamas is attacking Jews. If Hamas were attacking a non-Jewish Western Nation, then any response to Hamas would be viewed as legitimate. America&#8217;s response to Al Queda by invading a nation, displacing the government, and occupying it is a perfect example. There is no international outcry that America overreacted or was disproportionate in her response &#8211; people accept that America had a right to invade Afghanistan.  Israel, alternatively, can&#8217;t arrest a Palestinian without getting some type of condemnation. Israel has lost far more people per capita due to terrorism than any other nation (if we apply the same rate of death to the United States, it would be somewhere around 40,000+ killed in Terrorist attacks on domestic soil). Yet, they are condemned for responding. </p>
<p>The international community hates terrorists, but they hate Jews more.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices em Português &#187; Israel: Reações de blogueiros israelitas aos ataques em Gaza</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1150869</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices em Português &#187; Israel: Reações de blogueiros israelitas aos ataques em Gaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jewlicious [en] elabora mais a idéia: Aron Heller of Associated Press for Yahoo News (Dec. 25) writes this past week that the massive barrage of Palestinian rockets slamming into Israel during Hanukkah, “caused no injuries but generated widespread panic.” The headline for his article–”Israel warns Hamas will pay heavy price,” simply implies that Israel plans to act because of widespread panic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jewlicious [en] elabora mais a idéia: Aron Heller of Associated Press for Yahoo News (Dec. 25) writes this past week that the massive barrage of Palestinian rockets slamming into Israel during Hanukkah, “caused no injuries but generated widespread panic.” The headline for his article–”Israel warns Hamas will pay heavy price,” simply implies that Israel plans to act because of widespread panic. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gaza Round Up Part One &#171; Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning?</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1149054</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaza Round Up Part One &#171; Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a link to CNN&#8217;s report about the situation. Jewlicious has Hamas’s Winning Strategy. Backspin said: Hamas Blocks Gaza&#8217;s Wounded From [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hamas history &#124; Website Villa</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1148429</link>
		<dc:creator>hamas history &#124; Website Villa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Hamas history tied to Israel&#8221;, United Press International, June 18, 2002 &#8230;Jewlicious  Hamas?s Winning Strategy(www.palestinecenter.org) The epilogue of the Hamas charter reads ?Hamas posits Islam as a way of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1148316</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Isn&#039;t it time to try something else?&quot; is a flawed line of reasoning.  No country in the world recognizes the legitimacy of the Hamas takeover of Gaza, and no country carries on normal relations with it.  So there are essentially no diplomatic options.  The only two options are to ignore Hamas, or to fight it.  Ignoring it has been tried already. 

And of course, Hamas have no interest in &quot;trying something else&quot; (e.g. recognizing Israel) but they understand that it&#039;s in their strategic interest for other nations, especially European nations, to perceive those options as being on the table because it might lead to their de facto recognition at some point down the road.  Eventually, if Europe wants to continue having a say in what Israel does or doesn&#039;t do vis a vis Hamas, then it&#039;ll either have to drop their boycott of Hamas and engage it diplomatically, or get involved militarily (peacekeeping troops, direct support for Israel ...).  And when push comes to shove, it&#039;s pretty obvious which side of the fence they&#039;ll fall on, and Hamas knows this, which is why they&#039;ve been content to play a waiting game for the past two years.

Once that happens, Israel will have plenty more options for dealing with Hamas instead of just two, and military action against it will become less and less reasonable.  So whatever Israel&#039;s full plans are for Cast Lead, it had better see them through to completion right now because they probably won&#039;t have another chance (see: Second Lebanon War).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isn&#8217;t it time to try something else?&#8221; is a flawed line of reasoning.  No country in the world recognizes the legitimacy of the Hamas takeover of Gaza, and no country carries on normal relations with it.  So there are essentially no diplomatic options.  The only two options are to ignore Hamas, or to fight it.  Ignoring it has been tried already. </p>
<p>And of course, Hamas have no interest in &#8220;trying something else&#8221; (e.g. recognizing Israel) but they understand that it&#8217;s in their strategic interest for other nations, especially European nations, to perceive those options as being on the table because it might lead to their de facto recognition at some point down the road.  Eventually, if Europe wants to continue having a say in what Israel does or doesn&#8217;t do vis a vis Hamas, then it&#8217;ll either have to drop their boycott of Hamas and engage it diplomatically, or get involved militarily (peacekeeping troops, direct support for Israel &#8230;).  And when push comes to shove, it&#8217;s pretty obvious which side of the fence they&#8217;ll fall on, and Hamas knows this, which is why they&#8217;ve been content to play a waiting game for the past two years.</p>
<p>Once that happens, Israel will have plenty more options for dealing with Hamas instead of just two, and military action against it will become less and less reasonable.  So whatever Israel&#8217;s full plans are for Cast Lead, it had better see them through to completion right now because they probably won&#8217;t have another chance (see: Second Lebanon War).</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Israel: Israeli Bloggers React to Gaza</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1147815</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Israel: Israeli Bloggers React to Gaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jewlicious elaborates on this idea: Aron Heller of Associated Press for Yahoo News (Dec. 25) writes this past week that the massive barrage of Palestinian rockets slamming into Israel during Hanukkah, “caused no injuries but generated widespread panic.” The headline for his article–”Israel warns Hamas will pay heavy price,” simply implies that Israel plans to act because of widespread panic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jewlicious elaborates on this idea: Aron Heller of Associated Press for Yahoo News (Dec. 25) writes this past week that the massive barrage of Palestinian rockets slamming into Israel during Hanukkah, “caused no injuries but generated widespread panic.” The headline for his article–”Israel warns Hamas will pay heavy price,” simply implies that Israel plans to act because of widespread panic. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J.Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1147646</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else feel the same way or it is just me

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else feel the same way or it is just me</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1147445</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was included in the Gaza blog round up at my site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was included in the Gaza blog round up at my site.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Zibby</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1147269</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Zibby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t that be &quot;Hamas’ Whining Strategy&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t that be &#8220;Hamas’ Whining Strategy&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: montana urban legend</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1147262</link>
		<dc:creator>montana urban legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re quite perceptive to point that out, Tom.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1147232</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To play devil&#039;s advocate for a moment, Israel has had some role in creating this media environment because Israel&#039;s actions-- armed retaliation in response to attacks-- is viewed, correctly or not, as not working.  There&#039;s a large segment of the international community that thinks, &#039;isn&#039;t it time to try something else?&#039;

That&#039;s why ineffectual performances like that in Lebanon really hurt Israel and its international standing.  Even the lefty media will accord an atavistic respect to power, if it&#039;s effectively exercised.  That&#039;s why criticism of the US is muted if civilians are killed in Iraq, for example, and why the press is prepared to blame last summer&#039;s Caucasus conflict on Georgian provocation. Respect will be earned if Hamas is decisively defeated.  If it isn&#039;t, someone will try to get Barack indicted for war crimes at the Hague.  And the bad press will continue unabated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To play devil&#8217;s advocate for a moment, Israel has had some role in creating this media environment because Israel&#8217;s actions&#8211; armed retaliation in response to attacks&#8211; is viewed, correctly or not, as not working.  There&#8217;s a large segment of the international community that thinks, &#8216;isn&#8217;t it time to try something else?&#8217;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why ineffectual performances like that in Lebanon really hurt Israel and its international standing.  Even the lefty media will accord an atavistic respect to power, if it&#8217;s effectively exercised.  That&#8217;s why criticism of the US is muted if civilians are killed in Iraq, for example, and why the press is prepared to blame last summer&#8217;s Caucasus conflict on Georgian provocation. Respect will be earned if Hamas is decisively defeated.  If it isn&#8217;t, someone will try to get Barack indicted for war crimes at the Hague.  And the bad press will continue unabated.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2008/12/hamass-winning-strategy/#comment-1147078</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How has Hamas &quot;led a brilliant public relations campaign&quot; when other members of the Arab League turned their back on them? When Abu Mazen&#039;s comment, current PLO leader, is a mere &quot;But told you so&quot;. When there is only lukewarm solidarity manifests from the usual rogue states. And when also the usual suspects of the international press don&#039;t come up with their ready-made text blocks about &quot;zionist crimes&quot; and their political correct versions of the famous jewish blood libel? Since Hamas became a terror organization and made a megalomanic death cult their only program as a political party, it became a gigantic failure (not to mention their own roots in Al Banna&#039;s لإخوان-Movement, which promotes fascist supremacy ideology and failed in nearly all it&#039;s goals).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How has Hamas &#8220;led a brilliant public relations campaign&#8221; when other members of the Arab League turned their back on them? When Abu Mazen&#8217;s comment, current PLO leader, is a mere &#8220;But told you so&#8221;. When there is only lukewarm solidarity manifests from the usual rogue states. And when also the usual suspects of the international press don&#8217;t come up with their ready-made text blocks about &#8220;zionist crimes&#8221; and their political correct versions of the famous jewish blood libel? Since Hamas became a terror organization and made a megalomanic death cult their only program as a political party, it became a gigantic failure (not to mention their own roots in Al Banna&#8217;s لإخوان-Movement, which promotes fascist supremacy ideology and failed in nearly all it&#8217;s goals).</p>
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