Comments on: The Need for Israel Solidarity Rallies http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/ 100% Kosher Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:54:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: War in Gaza Update #15 « Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning? http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1178121 War in Gaza Update #15 « Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning? Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:37:11 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1178121 [...] out Jewlicious The Need for Israel Solidarity Rallies and Anti-Semitism and [...] [...] out Jewlicious The Need for Israel Solidarity Rallies and Anti-Semitism and [...]

]]> By: LB http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1176617 LB Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:43:12 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1176617 MAKOM - authentic modern Zionism does not recognize such a taxation - all Jews belong in Israel, and as a representative of an Israeli newspaper, I would hope you would hold the same view. The Israeli government's actions should be undertaken in order to protect its citizens. Period. Potential citizens who have not thrown in their lot with Israel need not be a factor as such - but need to be brought home. Last, and perhaps most importantly - the diaspora is not "expected to take the rap." Look at history objectively - has antisemitism truly risen since 1948? No. In fact, prior to 1948 antisemitism was FAR greater than now, so to blame Israel for the rise of antisemitism is just plain wrong. MAKOM – authentic modern Zionism does not recognize such a taxation – all Jews belong in Israel, and as a representative of an Israeli newspaper, I would hope you would hold the same view.

The Israeli government’s actions should be undertaken in order to protect its citizens. Period. Potential citizens who have not thrown in their lot with Israel need not be a factor as such – but need to be brought home.

Last, and perhaps most importantly – the diaspora is not “expected to take the rap.” Look at history objectively – has antisemitism truly risen since 1948? No. In fact, prior to 1948 antisemitism was FAR greater than now, so to blame Israel for the rise of antisemitism is just plain wrong.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1176413 themiddle Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:10:50 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1176413 Well, maybe if Ha'aretz toned down some of the drivel from Hass and Gideon Levy, there would be less hatred out there toward Israel. Maybe Ha'aretz shoud consult with diaspora Jewry before publishing the opinions of people who only find fault with Israel and everything it does to a greater degree than even its enemies? Well, maybe if Ha’aretz toned down some of the drivel from Hass and Gideon Levy, there would be less hatred out there toward Israel. Maybe Ha’aretz shoud consult with diaspora Jewry before publishing the opinions of people who only find fault with Israel and everything it does to a greater degree than even its enemies?

]]> By: MAKOM http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1176399 MAKOM Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:02:16 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1176399 As expected, antisemitic attacks are up throughout the world, synagogues are attacked, and Jews on every campus are subject to increasingly fierce hostility. We have been here before. Justified or unjustified, the entire Jewish world pays the price of Israel's actions, however legitimate they may be. Our question is this: Does the Israeli government ever take this into account when making its decisions? If the diaspora is expected to take the rap for Israel's actions, and to come out in support, shouldn't it also be consulted at some point? If there is 'taxation', shouldn't there also be representation? Israel excites, alienates and compels. How are we as Jews implicated in Israel's achievements, mistakes, and challenges? MAKOM invites you to join an ongoing conversation about hugging and wrestling with Israel. http://makom.haaretz.com As expected, antisemitic attacks are up throughout the world, synagogues are attacked, and Jews on every campus are subject to increasingly fierce hostility. We have been here before. Justified or unjustified, the entire Jewish world pays the price of Israel’s actions, however legitimate they may be.

Our question is this: Does the Israeli government ever take this into account when making its decisions?

If the diaspora is expected to take the rap for Israel’s actions, and to come out in support, shouldn’t it also be consulted at some point?

If there is ‘taxation’, shouldn’t there also be representation?

Israel excites, alienates and compels. How are we as Jews implicated in Israel’s achievements, mistakes, and challenges? MAKOM invites you to join an ongoing conversation about hugging and wrestling with Israel.

makom.haaretz....

]]> By: LB http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1173731 LB Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:17:56 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1173731 Texas Jew - the only thing with which I'd agree is that rallies are relatively pointless. Beyond that - all you've said is pretty much just drivel. 1 - you clearly have no understanding of what neoconservatism is. 2 - captive slave population? oh please. 3 - all israelis have blood on their hands? if that is your argument, then let's take a step back - by that logic, all palestinians have blood on their hands. blood from murder, not from any other kind of deaths. so by that logic - no civilians have been killed in gaza - are you comfortable with that conclusion? Texas Jew – the only thing with which I’d agree is that rallies are relatively pointless. Beyond that – all you’ve said is pretty much just drivel. 1 – you clearly have no understanding of what neoconservatism is. 2 – captive slave population? oh please. 3 – all israelis have blood on their hands? if that is your argument, then let’s take a step back – by that logic, all palestinians have blood on their hands. blood from murder, not from any other kind of deaths. so by that logic – no civilians have been killed in gaza – are you comfortable with that conclusion?

]]> By: JackieBlue http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1173322 JackieBlue Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:28:30 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1173322 Hi again. Re that Alternet video, seems most of those "interviews" where cherry picked and last only a few seconds. Those people could have been speaking specifically about Hamas. One man, very clearly specified "Islamic extremists". There were some that said wipe them all out. Maybe 5, 10? Out of 1000s? And none of them publically displayed those feelings until asked. Compare to the anti-Israeli protests with bloodied children on posters and stomping and burning of Israeli flags. What's wrong with the "$ for Food, not Kassams" sign? That maybe Hamas could have devoted some of their cash to their infrastructure rather than the destruction of Jews? And now they're broke. I mean for goodness sake, they sit on the Mediterranean, one of the most prized pieces of property in the world. They could have had a thriving tourist industry, an economy for their people if they simply renounced the violence. That idiot interviewer had the nerve to ask why the IDF is "bombing schools and hospitals". First, the IDF returned fire that came from Hamas firing from the school to begin with! Many people were killed by the traps Hamas set for the IDF in that school. Hamas also hid out in Shifa Hospital disguised as doctors and nurses, a hospital built by Israel, btw. http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054569.html Even being reprimanded by their OWN people for firing within civilian centers! http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=17843 Why does Hamas hide among the sick and innocent, putting them directly in harm's way?  Why do they bury weapons under schools http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=15634 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN9WzUc7iB0&eurl and keep weapons in mosques? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylVnv5WkAhA I don't recall the Geneva Convention allowing any of that. But the evil Israelis, after 7 years of this (one could say 60 years give or take some more peaceful times), have the audacity to do something to stop them. Over 4000 rockets and 4000 mortar shells fired into Israel (http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/ipc_e007.pdf, starting at p5) 5000 in Sderot alone, injuring, maiming and killing 100s, multiple ceasefires, all broken by Hamas. Defending Gaza just seems like an immoral stance to me. And Mr. Texan, if Mexico was firing rockets at you, it would take you about 3 seconds to think of how to stop it. Hi again. Re that Alternet video, seems most of those “interviews” where cherry picked and last only a few seconds. Those people could have been speaking specifically about Hamas. One man, very clearly specified “Islamic extremists”. There were some that said wipe them all out. Maybe 5, 10? Out of 1000s? And none of them publically displayed those feelings until asked. Compare to the anti-Israeli protests with bloodied children on posters and stomping and burning of Israeli flags. What’s wrong with the “$ for Food, not Kassams” sign? That maybe Hamas could have devoted some of their cash to their infrastructure rather than the destruction of Jews? And now they’re broke. I mean for goodness sake, they sit on the Mediterranean, one of the most prized pieces of property in the world. They could have had a thriving tourist industry, an economy for their people if they simply renounced the violence.

That idiot interviewer had the nerve to ask why the IDF is “bombing schools and hospitals”. First, the IDF returned fire that came from Hamas firing from the school to begin with! Many people were killed by the traps Hamas set for the IDF in that school. Hamas also hid out in Shifa Hospital disguised as doctors and nurses, a hospital built by Israel, btw. haaretz.com/ha... Even being reprimanded by their OWN people for firing within civilian centers! israeltoday.co... Why does Hamas hide among the sick and innocent, putting them directly in harm’s way?  Why do they bury weapons under schools israeltoday.co... and youtube.com/wa... and keep weapons in mosques? youtube.com/wa... I don’t recall the Geneva Convention allowing any of that.

But the evil Israelis, after 7 years of this (one could say 60 years give or take some more peaceful times), have the audacity to do something to stop them. Over 4000 rockets and 4000 mortar shells fired into Israel (terrorism-info..., starting at p5) 5000 in Sderot alone, injuring, maiming and killing 100s, multiple ceasefires, all broken by Hamas. Defending Gaza just seems like an immoral stance to me.

And Mr. Texan, if Mexico was firing rockets at you, it would take you about 3 seconds to think of how to stop it.

]]> By: Texas Jew http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1173173 Texas Jew Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:22:55 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1173173 "Israel" rallies are pointless the same way that it's pointless for a rally cheering the New York Yankees to defeat Michigan St. in Baseball. It's an advanced military waging a war against a captive slave population. This isn't even like 2006. The majority of the civilized world stands in opposition to a terror state who's allies are Christian Zionists & U.S. neoconservatives; such great company you keep. The only people who's survival is in danger are the people trapped in Gaza. This isn't just about the settlements anymore. Now, all Israelis have blood on their hands. “Israel” rallies are pointless the same way that it’s pointless for a rally cheering the New York Yankees to defeat Michigan St. in Baseball. It’s an advanced military waging a war against a captive slave population. This isn’t even like 2006. The majority of the civilized world stands in opposition to a terror state who’s allies are Christian Zionists & U.S. neoconservatives; such great company you keep.

The only people who’s survival is in danger are the people trapped in Gaza. This isn’t just about the settlements anymore. Now, all Israelis have blood on their hands.

]]> By: Ben-David http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1173049 Ben-David Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:35:27 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1173049 That Wiki page seems to have been put up by the publishers themselves. That Wiki page seems to have been put up by the publishers themselves.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1173034 themiddle Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:23:12 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1173034 BD, what the hell are you doing quoting Wikipedia as if they are authoritative? BD, what the hell are you doing quoting Wikipedia as if they are authoritative?

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/01/the-need-for-israel-solidarity-rallies/comment-page-1/#comment-1173031 themiddle Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:20:42 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=6908#comment-1173031 Tom, that stat was scary. However, if the Dems who were polled were like Karen here, I'm not too worried. Tom, that stat was scary. However, if the Dems who were polled were like Karen here, I’m not too worried.

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