Comments on: Facebooknacht: Rabbis purged from social network site Facebook over title “rabbi” http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: What We Missed, 2009 Edition » Mixed Multitudes – My Jewish Learning: Exploring Judaism & Jewish Life http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1777186 What We Missed, 2009 Edition » Mixed Multitudes – My Jewish Learning: Exploring Judaism & Jewish Life Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:38:37 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1777186 [...] Facebook doesn’t like rabbis. [...] [...] Facebook doesn’t like rabbis. [...]

]]> By: Ruth Stein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1455300 Ruth Stein Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:02:53 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1455300 can't you use "rabbi yonah" as a nickname - a middle in name in quotes? can’t you use “rabbi yonah” as a nickname – a middle in name in quotes?

]]> By: Arieh Lebowitz http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1240893 Arieh Lebowitz Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:27:47 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1240893 Article on this online: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29188129/ Taking the "Rabbi" Out of Facebook By Dan Stamm NBCPhiladelphia.com updated 3:45 p.m. ET, Thurs., Feb. 19, 2009 Some local rabbis noticed something strange when they signed onto their Facebook accounts Friday morning -- their title was gone from their profile. Just in time for Shabbat they've taken the "Rabbi" away from the social network. Chabad rabbis throughout the country began to notice the title "Rabbi" being dropped from their accounts on Thursday night, according to a source. A simple search for the term Rabbi on Facebook reveals a slew of local Philadelphia rabbis who no longer have the title "Rabbi" at the beginning of their Facebook names. NBCPhiladelphia.com tracked down the people over at Facebook for a response to this supposed dropping of names. "We do have systems in place that block people from using certain words and titles in their names," said Simon Axten with Facebook.com. "This is to prevent abuse and help maintain our real name culture, which drives accountability on the site," said Axten. To be fair to the Facebook people a search for Reverend and Pastor also yields few results for the Philadelphia area. These systems have been around for a while, according to Axten. "To be clear, people who try to sign up with a name that contains a word on our blacklist, or who try to change their name to one that includes one of these words, will be blocked. They can then write to us if they feel their use of the word is legitimate," said Axten. A blacklist, what names are included on the blacklist? "The list is quite long and includes words and names commonly associated with fake accounts. You can’t sign up as 'Barack Obama' or 'Britney Spears,' for example," said Axten. Facebook encourages anyone who wishes to use a legitimate title on Facebook should contact the Facebook team. "Our ... Article on this online:

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Taking the “Rabbi” Out of Facebook
By Dan Stamm
NBCPhiladelphia.com
updated 3:45 p.m. ET, Thurs., Feb. 19, 2009

Some local rabbis noticed something strange when they signed onto their Facebook accounts Friday morning — their title was gone from their profile.

Just in time for Shabbat they’ve taken the “Rabbi” away from the social network.

Chabad rabbis throughout the country began to notice the title “Rabbi” being dropped from their accounts on Thursday night, according to a source.

A simple search for the term Rabbi on Facebook reveals a slew of local Philadelphia rabbis who no longer have the title “Rabbi” at the beginning of their Facebook names.

NBCPhiladelphia.com tracked down the people over at Facebook for a response to this supposed dropping of names.

“We do have systems in place that block people from using certain words and titles in their names,” said Simon Axten with Facebook.com.

“This is to prevent abuse and help maintain our real name culture, which drives accountability on the site,” said Axten.

To be fair to the Facebook people a search for Reverend and Pastor also yields few results for the Philadelphia area.

These systems have been around for a while, according to Axten.

“To be clear, people who try to sign up with a name that contains a word on our blacklist, or who try to change their name to one that includes one of these words, will be blocked. They can then write to us if they feel their use of the word is legitimate,” said Axten.

A blacklist, what names are included on the blacklist?

“The list is quite long and includes words and names commonly associated with fake accounts. You can’t sign up as ‘Barack Obama’ or ‘Britney Spears,’ for example,” said Axten.

Facebook encourages anyone who wishes to use a legitimate title on Facebook should contact the Facebook team. “Our …

]]> By: Chutzpah http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1236387 Chutzpah Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:47:04 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1236387 It would be appropriate for them to delete any titles beginning with "Brother" "Sister" "Father" "Reverend" etc. plus a first name with no last name as well. Mort Zuckerberg needs to protect his brainchild, even if people go around bashing it. And yes, I would want to know where any Rabbi who I am learning from got smicha, just like I would want to know where my Doctor went to Medical School. I don't like the "who is a Rabbi game", but people have a right to know if they are dealing with a Big Aish "McRabbi" who got drive-through smicha with his last order of treif fries and a burger. It would be appropriate for them to delete any titles beginning with “Brother” “Sister” “Father” “Reverend” etc. plus a first name with no last name as well. Mort Zuckerberg needs to protect his brainchild, even if people go around bashing it.

And yes, I would want to know where any Rabbi who I am learning from got smicha, just like I would want to know where my Doctor went to Medical School. I don’t like the “who is a Rabbi game”, but people have a right to know if they are dealing with a Big Aish “McRabbi” who got drive-through smicha with his last order of treif fries and a burger.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1233996 froylein Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:56:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1233996 BTW, FB was founded by a Jew, and the main purpose in requiring somebody's full name is not to give possible online predators much more of a chance than they've already got. When you register for FB, you see an announcement that FB preserves the right to delete profiles of people not sharing their real names on random checks. There's a possibility of reporting people to FB; maybe somebody took it upon himself to report all people with "Rabbi" + firstname. I see Yonah's point that title + firstname is the common way to address clergy not only in Judaism. I don't know about American IDs, but over here, there's a special line on ID cards for clergy names, yet the full name must still be given. What might be interesting to know is whether FB did a random check looking for "rabbis" (there indeed are many fake ones out there) or whether somebody with too much time on their hands had gone about reporting rabbis to FB. Either way, I wouldn't blow this out of proportion. BTW, FB was founded by a Jew, and the main purpose in requiring somebody’s full name is not to give possible online predators much more of a chance than they’ve already got. When you register for FB, you see an announcement that FB preserves the right to delete profiles of people not sharing their real names on random checks. There’s a possibility of reporting people to FB; maybe somebody took it upon himself to report all people with “Rabbi” + firstname. I see Yonah’s point that title + firstname is the common way to address clergy not only in Judaism. I don’t know about American IDs, but over here, there’s a special line on ID cards for clergy names, yet the full name must still be given.
What might be interesting to know is whether FB did a random check looking for “rabbis” (there indeed are many fake ones out there) or whether somebody with too much time on their hands had gone about reporting rabbis to FB.
Either way, I wouldn’t blow this out of proportion.

]]> By: montana urban legend http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1233635 montana urban legend Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:25:23 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1233635 Facebook seemed interesting to me when it was a small operation for use between college buddies. Anything that has become as big as it has is bound to become stupid, though. I haven't got on it. And I say screw anyone who prefers to outsource their social networking to a big, faceless company - and one started under ethically dubious circumstances at that, no less. In college and grad school, when the intertubes were just starting, we could engage collaborative activities with small groups via intranet - i.e. closed, private sites. Ideally Facebook should offer services more in-line with that. But the internet has already changed the culture and unfortunately people will use it not just to compile and sift through information and exchange interesting ideas pseudonymously (which is rather the point; that's its strongest feature), but to help get more of the sheeple to further the facade of connection while really just going about their increasing isolation in an ever more convenient way. Yonah's attachment to his cutesie name is a slap in the face against this trend and hence I'm sympathetic to his stance. But it is their shop. And as an American business it's entitled to being just as fascist toward its willing customers as we've allowed our workplaces to become. Anyone who thinks that useless demographic information can make someone easier for you to relate to, let alone more personable, is a moron - and really needs to rethink their basis for making social judgments about others. I unfortunately include a huge chunk of humanity in this category. I also sympathize with Chutzpah's desire to see high standards demonstrated among clergy, but the list rattled off is a bit too 1984. In other words, what Kung Fu Jew said. Facebook seemed interesting to me when it was a small operation for use between college buddies. Anything that has become as big as it has is bound to become stupid, though. I haven’t got on it. And I say screw anyone who prefers to outsource their social networking to a big, faceless company – and one started under ethically dubious circumstances at that, no less.

In college and grad school, when the intertubes were just starting, we could engage collaborative activities with small groups via intranet – i.e. closed, private sites. Ideally Facebook should offer services more in-line with that. But the internet has already changed the culture and unfortunately people will use it not just to compile and sift through information and exchange interesting ideas pseudonymously (which is rather the point; that’s its strongest feature), but to help get more of the sheeple to further the facade of connection while really just going about their increasing isolation in an ever more convenient way. Yonah’s attachment to his cutesie name is a slap in the face against this trend and hence I’m sympathetic to his stance. But it is their shop. And as an American business it’s entitled to being just as fascist toward its willing customers as we’ve allowed our workplaces to become.

Anyone who thinks that useless demographic information can make someone easier for you to relate to, let alone more personable, is a moron – and really needs to rethink their basis for making social judgments about others. I unfortunately include a huge chunk of humanity in this category.

I also sympathize with Chutzpah’s desire to see high standards demonstrated among clergy, but the list rattled off is a bit too 1984. In other words, what Kung Fu Jew said.

]]> By: Kim Phillips http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1231334 Kim Phillips Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:06:05 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1231334 Unfortunately, if we want to play their game we have to play by their rules. There are creative ways around it. Anybody who is your Facebook friend should already know you are a rabbi. And you can say pretty much whatever you want about that on your page...at least for the moment. Unfortunately, if we want to play their game we have to play by their rules. There are creative ways around it. Anybody who is your Facebook friend should already know you are a rabbi. And you can say pretty much whatever you want about that on your page…at least for the moment.

]]> By: Kung Fu Jew 18 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1231328 Kung Fu Jew 18 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:58:38 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1231328 Chutzpah, would you demand to see their smicha certificates also? Protecting children aside, I'm not interested in being a member on Policebook. Chutzpah, would you demand to see their smicha certificates also? Protecting children aside, I’m not interested in being a member on Policebook.

]]> By: Chutzpah http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1231012 Chutzpah Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:28:00 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1231012 "Why can't a member of the clergy use a name they are comfortable with?" Supposed members of the clergy are often sexual predators. They should be held to a HIGHER standard of disclosure because people entrusted them with a higher level of personal privileged and confidential information. "Clergy" should be required to disclose tax-exempt id #'s, financial records of their o religious organization, addresses, phone #'s , legal full name and all previous aliases, educational background, criminal records, etc. They shouldn't get free run to go out and try to influence hearts and souls and sometimes collect funds over the internet without disclosing it all. The term "Rabbi" is a good place for Facebook to start to clean-out posers from their network. With millions of profiles, they are absolutely justified in using any tag they thing might lead to a profile that is breaking the terms of use agreement. Why can't "anyone else" use the name they feel comfortable with? ("look at me, I'm such a holy and naive man that I can ask this with such innocence"). Yonah, there are kids on that site that are being exposed to dangerous people everyday and Facebook has to fight off liability every time someone gets hurt, that's why. Duh. “Why can’t a member of the clergy use a name they are comfortable with?” Supposed members of the clergy are often sexual predators. They should be held to a HIGHER standard of disclosure because people entrusted them with a higher level of personal privileged and confidential information. “Clergy” should be required to disclose tax-exempt id #’s, financial records of their o religious organization, addresses, phone #’s , legal full name and all previous aliases, educational background, criminal records, etc.

They shouldn’t get free run to go out and try to influence hearts and souls and sometimes collect funds over the internet without disclosing it all.

The term “Rabbi” is a good place for Facebook to start to clean-out posers from their network. With millions of profiles, they are absolutely justified in using any tag they thing might lead to a profile that is breaking the terms of use agreement.

Why can’t “anyone else” use the name they feel comfortable with? (“look at me, I’m such a holy and naive man that I can ask this with such innocence”). Yonah, there are kids on that site that are being exposed to dangerous people everyday and Facebook has to fight off liability every time someone gets hurt, that’s why. Duh.

]]> By: Rabbi Eliezer Sneiderman http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1230139 Rabbi Eliezer Sneiderman Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:47:56 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1230139 I didn't have my acct taken away. They just took away my title. I have been on facebook since the beginning. Many years with no problems. I think they will change their policy. Rabbi Eliezer Sneiderman I didn’t have my acct taken away. They just took away my title. I have been on facebook since the beginning. Many years with no problems. I think they will change their policy.

Rabbi Eliezer Sneiderman

]]> By: Rabbi Yonah http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1230076 Rabbi Yonah Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:54:47 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1230076 one more thing - Amechad - my feelings are serious, but my post was also meant to try to joke about the situation. Sorry if that didn't come across one more thing – Amechad – my feelings are serious, but my post was also meant to try to joke about the situation. Sorry if that didn’t come across

]]> By: Rabbi Yonah http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1230068 Rabbi Yonah Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:52:04 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1230068 I've been on Facebook for nearly three years. In all that time I have never had any trouble. And while I appreciate the good advice to comply with the rules, I think that that misses the point. The point is why can't a member of the clergy, or anyone else, use the name that they feel comfortable with? The name that everyone knows them by? And if they are cracking down on fake names... why start up with rabbis - when a simple courteous note would have been sufficient. There are lots of other dubious names out there, lots of pretenders, and offenders. Meanwhile I have received a letter from a very high member of the executive at Facebook who has asked ther team that made this happen contact me tomorrow after the holiday weekend. And if anyone had read my old profile on facebook you would see that I don't like to follow all the rules when the rules are clearly, well, mistaken. I’ve been on Facebook for nearly three years. In all that time I have never had any trouble. And while I appreciate the good advice to comply with the rules, I think that that misses the point.

The point is why can’t a member of the clergy, or anyone else, use the name that they feel comfortable with? The name that everyone knows them by?

And if they are cracking down on fake names… why start up with rabbis – when a simple courteous note would have been sufficient. There are lots of other dubious names out there, lots of pretenders, and offenders.

Meanwhile I have received a letter from a very high member of the executive at Facebook who has asked ther team that made this happen contact me tomorrow after the holiday weekend.

And if anyone had read my old profile on facebook you would see that I don’t like to follow all the rules when the rules are clearly, well, mistaken.

]]> By: David A.M. Wilensky http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229900 David A.M. Wilensky Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:24:24 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229900 LOL @ Larry. LOL @ Larry.

]]> By: Larry http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229812 Larry Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:19:16 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229812 They were rude to disable your account and contacts without warning. The least they could have done was delete Rabbi Shmuley Boteach first They were rude to disable your account and contacts without warning. The least they could have done was delete Rabbi Shmuley Boteach first

]]> By: David A.M. Wilensky http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229799 David A.M. Wilensky Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:10:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229799 All the Rabbis that I'm friends with on Facebook are still around. That includes one whose facebook name is Rabbi Michael Namath. The rest of them saw fit to behave like the rest of the FB populace and use only their actual names. No titles, you see. All the Rabbis that I’m friends with on Facebook are still around. That includes one whose facebook name is Rabbi Michael Namath. The rest of them saw fit to behave like the rest of the FB populace and use only their actual names. No titles, you see.

]]> By: amechad http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229606 amechad Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:36:51 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229606 Adar's not for another week yet. Adar’s not for another week yet.

]]> By: amechad http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229597 amechad Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:34:30 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229597 Facebook requires real names. It's part of the TOS. Rabbi Yonah, I think you need to comply with Facebook's TOS and cut out the hyperbole. The Jewish people have enough challenges and things to work on. Facebook requires real names. It’s part of the TOS.

Rabbi Yonah, I think you need to comply with Facebook’s TOS and cut out the hyperbole. The Jewish people have enough challenges and things to work on.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229591 themiddle Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:26:58 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229591 Have some very diplomatic people go and discuss this issue with the owners of the company. Have some very diplomatic people go and discuss this issue with the owners of the company.

]]> By: J. D. Edelman http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229544 J. D. Edelman Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:46:47 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/facebooknacht-rabbis-purged-from-social-network-site-facebook-over-title-rabbi/#comment-1229544 Rav Yonah - I did see that FB insists on a last name, and regardless whether I think that's a good policy (I do), it's at least defensible. However, my very quick perusal of the FB terms, did not reveal any prohibition of a clergy-related moniker. Such a thing would be far less defensible, and probably pretty crummy. So, you should have to use your last name, but you should be ABLE to identify yourself as a Rabbi. That's what I think. Rav Yonah -

I did see that FB insists on a last name, and regardless whether I think that’s a good policy (I do), it’s at least defensible.

However, my very quick perusal of the FB terms, did not reveal any prohibition of a clergy-related moniker. Such a thing would be far less defensible, and probably pretty crummy.

So, you should have to use your last name, but you should be ABLE to identify yourself as a Rabbi.

That’s what I think.

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