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		<title>By: NG</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/perfidy-by-pesach/comment-page-1/#comment-1302872</link>
		<dc:creator>NG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, it&#039;s a little late to post a comment, but the reason why there are so many Hispanics coming to America has more to do with the weakness of the US economy, not its strength. Europe is still over 90% native White European(In France it&#039;s 80-85%), and it&#039;s very difficult to integrate if you don&#039;t have the necessary skills. America was built on slave labor(the blacks) and is continuing the tradition with the Hispanics. You reap what you sow, live with it!

On a different but related note, America is 10 times less densely populated than Israel or Japan, so there&#039;s plenty of room and time for it to turn into a third world hellhole. Karma is paying back the Americans, and the nation of Aztlan will rise in its stead. Even Hawaii is 8.3% Hispanic, for god&#039;s sake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it&#8217;s a little late to post a comment, but the reason why there are so many Hispanics coming to America has more to do with the weakness of the US economy, not its strength. Europe is still over 90% native White European(In France it&#8217;s 80-85%), and it&#8217;s very difficult to integrate if you don&#8217;t have the necessary skills. America was built on slave labor(the blacks) and is continuing the tradition with the Hispanics. You reap what you sow, live with it!</p>
<p>On a different but related note, America is 10 times less densely populated than Israel or Japan, so there&#8217;s plenty of room and time for it to turn into a third world hellhole. Karma is paying back the Americans, and the nation of Aztlan will rise in its stead. Even Hawaii is 8.3% Hispanic, for god&#8217;s sake!</p>
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		<title>By: Ephraim</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/perfidy-by-pesach/comment-page-1/#comment-1298580</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephraim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any policy that keeps Muslims out of the US is good for America, and, thus, good for the Jews.

However, most people who are &quot;anti-immigrant&quot; (read: they don&#039;t want any more Mexicans here) are blazing hypocrites and generally racists to boot. I doubt if they would complain about well-educated, English-speaking, white Europeans coming here in droves.

The reason you can afford to buy lettuce in the US is because Mexican farm laborers are treated like animals and work for slave wages. If farm workers were paid a living wage and had the kind of medical benefits, etc., that we &quot;natives&quot; take for granted, a head of iceberg would cost you 20 bucks if you were lucky. 

If people really wanted to keep Mexicans out, they would fine the companies who employ them up the yin yang. But that would drive food prices through the roof so it&#039;s not going to happen.

The immigrants are here because we want them here to pick our food, mow our lawns, care for our kids, be our maids, and clean our office buildings. So until we&#039;re willing to do the work they do, we should stop pretending that we want &quot;immigration reform&quot;, whatever that means.

But keeping the Muslims out is a good idea on general principle. Anybody who thinks that what is happening in Europe can&#039;t happen here is crazy.

Even so, this &quot;Progress By Pesach&quot; thing sounds stupid. Just because we&#039;re Jews we don&#039;t have to automatically support everybody who some bunch of deracinated &quot;Jews&quot; decides is &quot;oppressed&quot;. Especially when that &quot;help&quot; has an ulterior motive and is clearly for the sake of a specific political agenda.

Jews aren&#039;t &quot;white&quot; if by white you mean WASPs. But the whole idea that all &quot;people of color&quot; must band together against &quot;the Man&quot; because all non-whites automatically share the same outlook and have natural solidarity with one another is stupid. I&#039;m sure some &quot;progressive&quot; Jew came up with the idea as a way to get over the guilties for being &quot;privileged&quot;.

Well, my mother wasn&#039;t &quot;privileged&quot;. When she was growing up, there were schools Jews couldn&#039;t get into no matter how good their grades were and the Klan burned crosses on her lawn. So fuck off with that shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any policy that keeps Muslims out of the US is good for America, and, thus, good for the Jews.</p>
<p>However, most people who are &#8220;anti-immigrant&#8221; (read: they don&#8217;t want any more Mexicans here) are blazing hypocrites and generally racists to boot. I doubt if they would complain about well-educated, English-speaking, white Europeans coming here in droves.</p>
<p>The reason you can afford to buy lettuce in the US is because Mexican farm laborers are treated like animals and work for slave wages. If farm workers were paid a living wage and had the kind of medical benefits, etc., that we &#8220;natives&#8221; take for granted, a head of iceberg would cost you 20 bucks if you were lucky. </p>
<p>If people really wanted to keep Mexicans out, they would fine the companies who employ them up the yin yang. But that would drive food prices through the roof so it&#8217;s not going to happen.</p>
<p>The immigrants are here because we want them here to pick our food, mow our lawns, care for our kids, be our maids, and clean our office buildings. So until we&#8217;re willing to do the work they do, we should stop pretending that we want &#8220;immigration reform&#8221;, whatever that means.</p>
<p>But keeping the Muslims out is a good idea on general principle. Anybody who thinks that what is happening in Europe can&#8217;t happen here is crazy.</p>
<p>Even so, this &#8220;Progress By Pesach&#8221; thing sounds stupid. Just because we&#8217;re Jews we don&#8217;t have to automatically support everybody who some bunch of deracinated &#8220;Jews&#8221; decides is &#8220;oppressed&#8221;. Especially when that &#8220;help&#8221; has an ulterior motive and is clearly for the sake of a specific political agenda.</p>
<p>Jews aren&#8217;t &#8220;white&#8221; if by white you mean WASPs. But the whole idea that all &#8220;people of color&#8221; must band together against &#8220;the Man&#8221; because all non-whites automatically share the same outlook and have natural solidarity with one another is stupid. I&#8217;m sure some &#8220;progressive&#8221; Jew came up with the idea as a way to get over the guilties for being &#8220;privileged&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, my mother wasn&#8217;t &#8220;privileged&#8221;. When she was growing up, there were schools Jews couldn&#8217;t get into no matter how good their grades were and the Klan burned crosses on her lawn. So fuck off with that shit.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/02/perfidy-by-pesach/comment-page-1/#comment-1298249</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, elites behave as elites in all communities, and the Jewish community is hardly the exception. 

However, the push for a mere e-petition of a measly 10,000 signatures for amnesty and an end to raids (called &quot;Progress By Peach&quot;) failed miserably. This is amazing, considering the backing this petition had. They got a mere 3,500. Jewlicious could probably single-handedly gather 10,000 signatures for something or other protesting something or other about how Israel was mistreated by Reuters/the U.N./some schmuck of a professor who wrote some drivel of an essay. It isn&#039;t real hard to get Jews to sign petitions in support of something they agree with. And yet, Progress By Pesach and her many allies could not get 10,000 signatures. It&#039;s a stunning defeat.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTRhYTAxOWNkYzU4N2UwM2MzYmZjY2Q5ZmNmMTIyZTA= 

Additionally, the recent attempt by HIAS based on a flawed and unfair analysis of the SPLC to essentially blacklist Dr. Stephen Steinlight, the most prominent &quot;affiliated&quot; critic of these ill-considered immigration policies was exposed: http://jta.org/news/article/2009/04/05/1004260/a-campaign-to-silence-or-just-providing-information

HIAS and others will still note the very problematic push polls from 2006-7 by the AJC that are used to &quot;prove&quot; that the Jewish community supports heavily pro-mass immigration policies, but they simply weren&#039;t acceptable polling procedures, because were not reasonably exhaustive. Most problematically, they did not allow for an attrition option for illegals through enforced documentation procedures (as opposed to just a &#039;round &#039;em all up right now&#039; option), and it is the attrition method which is preferred by far by most of us who favor immigration curtailment.  

Take that away, and essentially, you eliminate the most plausible and acceptable form of ending mass illegal labor.

Which is exactly why this option wasn&#039;t on the poll, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, elites behave as elites in all communities, and the Jewish community is hardly the exception. </p>
<p>However, the push for a mere e-petition of a measly 10,000 signatures for amnesty and an end to raids (called &#8220;Progress By Peach&#8221;) failed miserably. This is amazing, considering the backing this petition had. They got a mere 3,500. Jewlicious could probably single-handedly gather 10,000 signatures for something or other protesting something or other about how Israel was mistreated by Reuters/the U.N./some schmuck of a professor who wrote some drivel of an essay. It isn&#8217;t real hard to get Jews to sign petitions in support of something they agree with. And yet, Progress By Pesach and her many allies could not get 10,000 signatures. It&#8217;s a stunning defeat.</p>
<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTRhYTAxOWNkYzU4N2UwM2MzYmZjY2Q5ZmNmMTIyZTA=" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTRhYTAxOWNkYzU4N2UwM2MzYmZjY2Q5ZmNmMTIyZTA='>corner.nationa...</a> </p>
<p>Additionally, the recent attempt by HIAS based on a flawed and unfair analysis of the SPLC to essentially blacklist Dr. Stephen Steinlight, the most prominent &#8220;affiliated&#8221; critic of these ill-considered immigration policies was exposed: <a href="http://jta.org/news/article/2009/04/05/1004260/a-campaign-to-silence-or-just-providing-information" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://jta.org/news/article/2009/04/05/1004260/a-campaign-to-silence-or-just-providing-information'>jta.org/news/a...</a></p>
<p>HIAS and others will still note the very problematic push polls from 2006-7 by the AJC that are used to &#8220;prove&#8221; that the Jewish community supports heavily pro-mass immigration policies, but they simply weren&#8217;t acceptable polling procedures, because were not reasonably exhaustive. Most problematically, they did not allow for an attrition option for illegals through enforced documentation procedures (as opposed to just a &#8217;round &#8216;em all up right now&#8217; option), and it is the attrition method which is preferred by far by most of us who favor immigration curtailment.  </p>
<p>Take that away, and essentially, you eliminate the most plausible and acceptable form of ending mass illegal labor.</p>
<p>Which is exactly why this option wasn&#8217;t on the poll, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t believe there is a consensus regarding this topic. Maybe the author of this post can answer better than I. I&#039;ll let him know you asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t believe there is a consensus regarding this topic. Maybe the author of this post can answer better than I. I&#8217;ll let him know you asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive the intrusion. I am a Catholic who wandered into your site and I have a question. Is it truly the majority of the Jewish community who either accept this war on the Gentile population (and by extension, themselves) or is it, as I suspect, the Jewish leadership behaving as elites of all stripes are these days, in comlete antagonism towards the interests of its membership? I can tell you that few Catholics, unless they&#039;re upper class liberal twits (and those are lapsed), agree with or support what the Church hierarchy is actively doing to abet mass third-world immigration. In fact we are fuming about it. So what&#039;s the real story, among the average Jew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive the intrusion. I am a Catholic who wandered into your site and I have a question. Is it truly the majority of the Jewish community who either accept this war on the Gentile population (and by extension, themselves) or is it, as I suspect, the Jewish leadership behaving as elites of all stripes are these days, in comlete antagonism towards the interests of its membership? I can tell you that few Catholics, unless they&#8217;re upper class liberal twits (and those are lapsed), agree with or support what the Church hierarchy is actively doing to abet mass third-world immigration. In fact we are fuming about it. So what&#8217;s the real story, among the average Jew?</p>
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		<title>By: judi</title>
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		<dc:creator>judi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, we, as Jews- with straight faces- stand behind a movement that is- irony of all ironies- trying to facilitate the employment of undocumented workers at slave wages.  I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around this.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4061/the_crisis_of_wage_theft/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we, as Jews- with straight faces- stand behind a movement that is- irony of all ironies- trying to facilitate the employment of undocumented workers at slave wages.  I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4061/the_crisis_of_wage_theft/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4061/the_crisis_of_wage_theft/'>inthesetimes.c...</a></p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He’s talking about ILLEGAL aliens, not legal immigrants.&lt;/i&gt;

No, Ichabod Chrain. There are problems as well with legal mass immigration. This is not a good time for that, and certain populations (read: People of the Koran) are a particularly bad supplier for that. 

ck, what is happening in Europe should be disconcerting. What happened in Seattle and Chicago should be a wake-up call.  Instead, our communal leaders are saying we need still more. 

They are as rational as the protesting NYU students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He’s talking about ILLEGAL aliens, not legal immigrants.</i></p>
<p>No, Ichabod Chrain. There are problems as well with legal mass immigration. This is not a good time for that, and certain populations (read: People of the Koran) are a particularly bad supplier for that. </p>
<p>ck, what is happening in Europe should be disconcerting. What happened in Seattle and Chicago should be a wake-up call.  Instead, our communal leaders are saying we need still more. </p>
<p>They are as rational as the protesting NYU students.</p>
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		<title>By: Ichabod Chrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ichabod Chrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh CK, you need to re-read DK&#039;s post. He&#039;s talking about ILLEGAL aliens, not legal immigrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh CK, you need to re-read DK&#8217;s post. He&#8217;s talking about ILLEGAL aliens, not legal immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CK, how will bringing in people who are a net burden on the treasury help to pay for social security?  By &quot;work Americans won&#039;t do,&quot; I assume you are referring to illegal aliens. They&#039;ll hurt, not help, prospects for a viable social security system. http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=33

And when will Israel start admitting, say, 15-20 thousand people from neighboring countries each year?  The U.S. has been accepting around a million/year for many years.  Is it not time for Israel to do likewise, on a scale proportional to its size?  I believe it may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CK, how will bringing in people who are a net burden on the treasury help to pay for social security?  By &#8220;work Americans won&#8217;t do,&#8221; I assume you are referring to illegal aliens. They&#8217;ll hurt, not help, prospects for a viable social security system. <a href="http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=33" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=33'>cboblog.cbo.go...</a></p>
<p>And when will Israel start admitting, say, 15-20 thousand people from neighboring countries each year?  The U.S. has been accepting around a million/year for many years.  Is it not time for Israel to do likewise, on a scale proportional to its size?  I believe it may be.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. Good one friendly reader. DK and his gang are the first to pipe up when us Zionists posit Israel as an appropriate place for Jews to settle in. No immigration issues per se here. They go on about how awesome the diaspora is and has historically been for the Jews. But the fact remains that Americans NEED immigrants. Who is going to do the work born Americans don&#039;t want to do? Who is going to keep social security afloat? Immigration is and has always been good for America. So what, now that the some elements of Muslim immigrants might be not so good for the Jews, is that a reason to go all bat shit? Nations evolve. Come to Israel if&#039;n you don&#039;t like it.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Good one friendly reader. DK and his gang are the first to pipe up when us Zionists posit Israel as an appropriate place for Jews to settle in. No immigration issues per se here. They go on about how awesome the diaspora is and has historically been for the Jews. But the fact remains that Americans NEED immigrants. Who is going to do the work born Americans don&#8217;t want to do? Who is going to keep social security afloat? Immigration is and has always been good for America. So what, now that the some elements of Muslim immigrants might be not so good for the Jews, is that a reason to go all bat shit? Nations evolve. Come to Israel if&#8217;n you don&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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