Comments on: The Essenes and the Scrolls http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jewlicious » Some interesting resources http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1271147 Jewlicious » Some interesting resources Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:38:24 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1271147 [...] Our own Grandmuffti reports that an Israeli scholar, Rachel Elior, denies the existence of the Essenes: Elior theorizes that [...] [...] Our own Grandmuffti reports that an Israeli scholar, Rachel Elior, denies the existence of the Essenes: Elior theorizes that [...]

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1270543 Tom Morrissey Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:24:35 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1270543 Great. If Kelsey ever invites me over for dinner, no need to bring vino-- he'll just change tapwater into Chianti Classico. Great. If Kelsey ever invites me over for dinner, no need to bring vino– he’ll just change tapwater into Chianti Classico.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1270441 froylein Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:13:27 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1270441 It's consensus in Christian theology that Jesus was a Pharisee; he stuck by the Jewish custom of arguing with and against his own people; in a non-messianic way, he was the Kelsey of the Antiquity. There are groups that like to interpret Jesus' 40-day fast as having been spent among the Essenians. But theologically, that is an unimportant matter to say the least. Since there are non-Jewish and non-Christian accounts for Jesus' existence, that person in all likeliness existed - unlike Esther and many biblical figures. It’s consensus in Christian theology that Jesus was a Pharisee; he stuck by the Jewish custom of arguing with and against his own people; in a non-messianic way, he was the Kelsey of the Antiquity. There are groups that like to interpret Jesus’ 40-day fast as having been spent among the Essenians. But theologically, that is an unimportant matter to say the least.

Since there are non-Jewish and non-Christian accounts for Jesus’ existence, that person in all likeliness existed – unlike Esther and many biblical figures.

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1270189 Tom Morrissey Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:32:20 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1270189 Just giving our mutual friend a hard time, Middle. Just giving our mutual friend a hard time, Middle.

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1270088 ck Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:21:39 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1270088 I think its because some Christians believe John The Baptist and maybe even Jesus was an Essene. If the Essenes never existed... well, you can figure it out. Of course that says nothing about whether or not Jesus himself ever existed but I won't go there... Ooops! I think I just did! I think its because some Christians believe John The Baptist and maybe even Jesus was an Essene. If the Essenes never existed… well, you can figure it out. Of course that says nothing about whether or not Jesus himself ever existed but I won’t go there…

Ooops! I think I just did!

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1269915 themiddle Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:25:16 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1269915 What's offensive about it, Tom? And what's atheistic about it? What’s offensive about it, Tom?

And what’s atheistic about it?

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1269710 froylein Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:00:54 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1269710 Ah well, it doesn't exactly matter who wrote the scrolls as the most important bit of information that could be retrieved from them was that the Torah scroll copies dating after the standardization of the Torah, which mandated the destruction of all then-known Torah scrolls, are pretty close to older texts and in the pericopes available only differ in minor details. That, and that in contrast to popular claims by adherents of fiction authors rather than factbooks, there's no mention of Jesus and the "Holy Grail" (a Medieval invention possibly reflecting Celtic myth but more likely Parcifal's own imagination) in the scrolls. A little PR doesn't necessarily hurt though; an old exegesis prof of mine used to stress that there's no such thing as bad publicity. Those scholars I met that have worked hands-on on the scrolls do not doubt their Essenian authorship. People going unmarried and childless in Ancient Judaism is not as much a noteworthy thing either considering that (prospective) prophets were not supposed to live in matrimony and with children. Ah well, it doesn’t exactly matter who wrote the scrolls as the most important bit of information that could be retrieved from them was that the Torah scroll copies dating after the standardization of the Torah, which mandated the destruction of all then-known Torah scrolls, are pretty close to older texts and in the pericopes available only differ in minor details. That, and that in contrast to popular claims by adherents of fiction authors rather than factbooks, there’s no mention of Jesus and the “Holy Grail” (a Medieval invention possibly reflecting Celtic myth but more likely Parcifal’s own imagination) in the scrolls.

A little PR doesn’t necessarily hurt though; an old exegesis prof of mine used to stress that there’s no such thing as bad publicity. Those scholars I met that have worked hands-on on the scrolls do not doubt their Essenian authorship. People going unmarried and childless in Ancient Judaism is not as much a noteworthy thing either considering that (prospective) prophets were not supposed to live in matrimony and with children.

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1269623 Tom Morrissey Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:03:20 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1269623 We're choosing to make light of this, but I know many of us are offended by this latest example of Muffti's advocacy of atheism. We’re choosing to make light of this, but I know many of us are offended by this latest example of Muffti’s advocacy of atheism.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1269487 froylein Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:05:44 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1269487 Or Dan Brown; I've read in a book compiling academic essays regardings his claims made in "The DaVinci Code", the first edition of the book also had the scroll he claimed to have studied extensively upside down. Or Dan Brown; I’ve read in a book compiling academic essays regardings his claims made in “The DaVinci Code”, the first edition of the book also had the scroll he claimed to have studied extensively upside down.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1269460 themiddle Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:41:08 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1269460 If they were Irish monks, that would explain why they wrote in upside down Hebrew. If they were Irish monks, that would explain why they wrote in upside down Hebrew.

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1269124 Tom Morrissey Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:27:59 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1269124 I've long felt the scrolls were written by a cabal of Irish monks. I’ve long felt the scrolls were written by a cabal of Irish monks.

]]> By: Look At Photo http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1268875 Look At Photo Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:52:32 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1268875 Anyone else notice that the Time magazine photo is upside down? Oh, that tricky Hebrew..... Anyone else notice that the Time magazine photo is upside down? Oh, that tricky Hebrew…..

]]> By: David A.M. Wilensky http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/the-essenes-and-the-scrolls/#comment-1268745 David A.M. Wilensky Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:46:13 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=7611#comment-1268745 I'm pretty unconvinced. But we'll see how the rest of academia sees this. I’m pretty unconvinced. But we’ll see how the rest of academia sees this.

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