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By: Jewlicious » Shlomo Sand Excoriated for Shoddy History Once Again

Jewlicious » Shlomo Sand Excoriated for Shoddy History Once Again — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:42:50 +0000

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By: themiddle

themiddle — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:08:48 +0000

Sheesh, Olive, I didn’t mean to censor you! Express away!

By: Olive

Olive — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:41:51 +0000

The middle: As if you havent forced your opinions on us. I was just giving a background argument on this. I read his book in French and I did some research on his claims and it seemed that whenever he had holes in his reasoning, he made up something ridiculous to validate his claims.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:18:47 +0000

Middle isn’t helping, Olive, even throwing in that oh-so-sensitive portrait photo. Calling the site administrator….

By: themiddle

themiddle — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:57:51 +0000

Olive, you should stop holding back and tell us how you really feel.

By: Olive

Olive — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:06:56 +0000

Tom Morissey:
I am not opposed to a book challenging the origins of jews and I definately think we should challenge the idea that jews are a race but it should be done with strict professionality not with a political or publicity motivation. It seems that Shlomo Sand is pimping out the most controversial fringe theories to get publicity and in his case sell a lot of books in the arab world to serve his own ego.
About his arguments regarding the origins of jews, he frequently makes blatant lies in order to justify his theories. He claimed that the Yiddish language orginated as a Slavic language and later switched the words to German and he neglected to mention that the Berber tribe which he claims Sephardic jews decended from, was actually a black tribe from Mauritania. Shlomo Sand is an attention seeking whore.

By: Ephraim

Ephraim — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:22:13 +0000

But the spirit content won’t be negligible, right, Tom?

But, Jesus, the Khazars? Talk about old news. That “theory” is long discredited.

My guess is that the French idea of citizenship will undergo a rethinking as soon as there are too many Muslims to do anything about it except sit in coffee shops nursing espresso and chain-smoking Gauloises.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:12:36 +0000

Festival at my place tomorrow night! Plenty of booze, negligible spiritual content.

By: froylein

froylein — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:08:31 +0000

Muffti and I are planning a festival of our own. Get excited.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:22:20 +0000

Boston? They need a benefactor. Know any Jewish philanthropists who want to see young Jews have an amazing, affirming experience created by an experienced team that has seen its audience nearly double every year?

You’d think this one would be a no-brainer.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:46:21 +0000

Nah, that was good, Middle!

When does Jewlicious-Fest hit Boston?

By: themiddle

themiddle — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:48:10 +0000

Rabbi, now we take Jewlicious Festivals national, what else?

Tom, I don’t even get a chuckle for my Chas Freeman title? You’re a tough customer.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:44:58 +0000

The Israelis have passed the Irish in that regard, Middle….

By: Rabbi Yonah

Rabbi Yonah — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:54:26 +0000

TM-

well said.

Now what do we do?

By: themiddle

themiddle — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:49:58 +0000

I like Socialists and have nothing against the Left…until it goes so far as to attack Israel unfairly. Some of my best friends are staunch leftists and except for the shouting matches, we get along just fine. My right wing friends don’t even get the shouting matches, they just get condescending looks and nods from me.

Tom, yes, his conception of citizenship does strike me as French. But his book is by definition anti-Zionist. What he seeks to do is discredit early Zionism and its concepts which is the point of claiming they are a fabrication, that they only originate in the past century and that collusion between government and scholars has kept all of this, as well as “true” Jewish history under wraps so as to keep the national mission of Israel strong.

Zionism is a nationalistic movement. I’m not sure what you mean by “another approach to implementing Zionism.” To remind you, the Arabs who live inside Israel are citizens with equal voting rights. Yes, there’s discrimination and some of it has been conducted by the government, but in the eyes of the law, they are entirely equal. So what Sand is talking about is re-adjusting the status of the Palestinians who are not citizens, namely the ones in the Territory and the former other Territory by making them citizens. By seeking to undermine the legitimacy of the nationalist view of Zionism, his goal is to make some of the key raisons d’etre of Israel moot and unequal to the determination that the state should be a combination Palestinian and Jewish-Israeli state all rolled up into one.

You see, I always ask “Why don’t Jews have a right to self-determination,” and his book answers that question by saying, “They don’t because they’re not a nation, they’re not descended from this area and they lie about their history.” And, of course, to this series of insults, he is adding that the Palestinians are the real heirs to the country and the real Jews.

Admit it, Tom, you are amazed that such a small people can offer you so much entertainment.

The book is on my Amazon wishlist, right after “Chas Freeman’s Guide to Loving Jewish Activism.”

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:12:30 +0000

From Middle’s description, Sand’s political agenda borrows from a French conception of citizenship, of a state of all its citizens irrespective of ethnicity. Is it stacking the deck to cast that as anti-Zionist (as opposed to another approach to implementing Zionism)?

Have you read the book, btw?

By: David H.

David H. — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:33:27 +0000

OK, the guy appears to be on the periphery. (Moshe Arens’s son was/is too.) I’m not quite sure if you actually read the book. And I’m sure you know that Israel was started by a big honking Socialist, David Ben-Gurion.

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By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:47:03 +0000

Hilarious and terribly sad all at the same time. I haven’t laughed out loud for a while from the computer but this paragraph really did it for me:
“one state solution where Jews and Arabs, or should I say, fake Jews and the Real Jews all get together and make yet another country because everybody is the same except for the Jews who are fakes and the Palestinians who are real.”
This shlomo dude sounds like a perfect candidate for the ‘collective memory’ of the wacked out UFO group, Raelians that I read about lately ynet.co.il/eng...