Comments on: so many yoms, so little time http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Danny Saner http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1545983 Danny Saner Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:16:44 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1545983 You're a bunch of sad individuals.And you're politically incorrect.Who the fuck cares if you marry a Jewish,Christian or Moslem person.I admit that this sounds extreme.But it's all the same religion anyway...you people have problems...get a life.I asked about gevilte fish a couple of months ago,not one answer,shit.What's wrong with you people?Maybe nobody wants to answer me because I am only a bloody Goy ?(with a Jewish ancestor though:Rabbi Samuel Ben Nagrela)And the recipe is a big Jewish secret...you guys are incredible.And stop living in the past. You’re a bunch of sad individuals.And you’re politically incorrect.Who the fuck cares if you marry a Jewish,Christian or Moslem person.I admit that this sounds extreme.But it’s all the same religion anyway…you people have problems…get a life.I asked about gevilte fish a couple of months ago,not one answer,shit.What’s wrong with you people?Maybe nobody wants to answer me because I am only a bloody Goy ?(with a Jewish ancestor though:Rabbi Samuel Ben Nagrela)And the recipe is a big Jewish secret…you guys are incredible.And stop living in the past.

]]> By: Danny Saner http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1456644 Danny Saner Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:35:22 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1456644 Please,anybody.......I want to know how to cook gevilte fisch,I need the recipe.If you know a Jewish Person in Casablanca,Morocco who could teach me I would be very grateful.My cellphone number is 0665004027 [Local].Thanks for any assistance. Please,anybody…….I want to know how to cook gevilte fisch,I need the recipe.If you know a Jewish Person in Casablanca,Morocco who could teach me I would be very grateful.My cellphone number is 0665004027 [Local].Thanks for any assistance.

]]> By: Jewlicious » Against My Better Judgement http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1322750 Jewlicious » Against My Better Judgement Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:46:13 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1322750 [...] have this friend; I’ve mentioned her before. When I first wrote about the  Agunah Crisis, she wasn’t an official agunah. Just someone [...] [...] have this friend; I’ve mentioned her before. When I first wrote about the  Agunah Crisis, she wasn’t an official agunah. Just someone [...]

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306474 froylein Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:42:59 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306474 They have less info on the Baal Shem Tov cause they partly do not mind reading what displeases them. The info is just as accessible to them just as to others if they only bothered. The Baal Shem Tov's students were notoriously less well-versed on the Torah than the scholarly Jewry that existed prior his appearance. The only "domestic" things destructive to Judaism are the cultist movements within; not the scholars, but those that feed people selective bits of learning and shriek offence at the slightest notion of questioning. I am not trying to disprove anything; Chasidism exist as a historical fact. But other things also are historical fact, even the constant disagreements between the sages are a historical fact. For instance, if you abide by the Rambam, I suppose you only rinse your mouth after eating milchig and only wait for half an hour after eating fleishig. Most Chasidim though go by the 3 hour / 6 hour-waiting time and claim the Rambam to be wrong / not valid, or more likely, have never learnt about that portion by him. Chasidus is as little monolithic as Judaism is, but to claim that the Jewish tendency of critical scholarlism that has noteworthily existed for 2,200 years minimum meant the destruction of Judaism as opposed to a deliberately less scholarly movement that barely has been around for three centuries and is facing more and more challenges to make their views adapt to the world around them lest they willingly cut themselves off and adhere to a cultist notion of "It cannot be true what may not be true" and can only sustain itself by creating conditions that clash with today's reality, is absurd. Rashi made gemarah fit to the needs of his times; that made him a sage. They have less info on the Baal Shem Tov cause they partly do not mind reading what displeases them. The info is just as accessible to them just as to others if they only bothered. The Baal Shem Tov’s students were notoriously less well-versed on the Torah than the scholarly Jewry that existed prior his appearance. The only “domestic” things destructive to Judaism are the cultist movements within; not the scholars, but those that feed people selective bits of learning and shriek offence at the slightest notion of questioning. I am not trying to disprove anything; Chasidism exist as a historical fact. But other things also are historical fact, even the constant disagreements between the sages are a historical fact. For instance, if you abide by the Rambam, I suppose you only rinse your mouth after eating milchig and only wait for half an hour after eating fleishig. Most Chasidim though go by the 3 hour / 6 hour-waiting time and claim the Rambam to be wrong / not valid, or more likely, have never learnt about that portion by him. Chasidus is as little monolithic as Judaism is, but to claim that the Jewish tendency of critical scholarlism that has noteworthily existed for 2,200 years minimum meant the destruction of Judaism as opposed to a deliberately less scholarly movement that barely has been around for three centuries and is facing more and more challenges to make their views adapt to the world around them lest they willingly cut themselves off and adhere to a cultist notion of “It cannot be true what may not be true” and can only sustain itself by creating conditions that clash with today’s reality, is absurd. Rashi made gemarah fit to the needs of his times; that made him a sage.

]]> By: Long Beach Chasid http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306468 Long Beach Chasid Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:18:42 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306468 Arielle- Not once did I tell anyone "how to live" their own Judaism. Please find a quote of me saying "Paloni you need to do it this way.." CK- I actually like Moroccan ShabbAT fish of gevilte lol. When I come I hope you can cook me up some. Yes Yes, mock me as a BT Chassidim because I dont trust secular (Jewish or not) scholars to be accurate. Welcome to the world of self destructive secular Jews. Imagine what you could have accomplished with all the effort you put into disproving Chassidus, and me trying to defend it. We could have changed the world. I like how the secular scholar has more "info" on the Baal Shem Tov than the people that follow him. Must have been lost for them. Alas, look at the students of the Baal Shem and see that his students were well versed in all aspects of Torah. You have your source and I have sources as well. I love spicy and I dont fear your critical thelogy. People especially Jews have been trying to show Judaism as false since day one. Arielle- Not once did I tell anyone “how to live” their own Judaism. Please find a quote of me saying “Paloni you need to do it this way..”

CK- I actually like Moroccan ShabbAT fish of gevilte lol. When I come I hope you can cook me up some.

Yes Yes, mock me as a BT Chassidim because I dont trust secular (Jewish or not) scholars to be accurate. Welcome to the world of self destructive secular Jews. Imagine what you could have accomplished with all the effort you put into disproving Chassidus, and me trying to defend it. We could have changed the world.

I like how the secular scholar has more “info” on the Baal Shem Tov than the people that follow him. Must have been lost for them.

Alas, look at the students of the Baal Shem and see that his students were well versed in all aspects of Torah. You have your source and I have sources as well.

I love spicy and I dont fear your critical thelogy. People especially Jews have been trying to show Judaism as false since day one.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306460 froylein Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:56:28 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306460 Arielle, welcome to the world of BT Chasidism. :) Subjectively traceable and provable knowledge can come from any source, but it should be a major source of embarrassment that those that consider themselves true scholars (I'd like to repeat, the Baal Shem Tov sucked at school) bar knowledge to maintain their system. A solid religion does not have to fear critical theology. And yeah, eat more spices. They are healthy. Arielle, welcome to the world of BT Chasidism. :)

Subjectively traceable and provable knowledge can come from any source, but it should be a major source of embarrassment that those that consider themselves true scholars (I’d like to repeat, the Baal Shem Tov sucked at school) bar knowledge to maintain their system. A solid religion does not have to fear critical theology.

And yeah, eat more spices. They are healthy.

]]> By: arielle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306445 arielle Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:50:26 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306445 lbc - who are you (or any of us) to judge how another celebrates their Judaism? lbc – who are you (or any of us) to judge how another celebrates their Judaism?

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306364 ck Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:16:53 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306364 LBC: You misunderstand me. I want to go one step further. I want to mekarev you to Sephardic Judaism. I want to be your Rabbi. I want you to eat spicy fish with peppers, garlic and carrots on Shabbat. I want you to greet the end of Passover with a hearty "Tirbach!" and moffletta. I want you to throw out your Slivovitz and other manifestations of alien European culture and instead have some Arak, sing piyutim, eat kitniyot and study Maimonides and Abravanel. But I'd be satisfied with just a permanent move to Israel where I can mock your geffilte fish everyday and you can mock my funny last name. LBC: You misunderstand me. I want to go one step further. I want to mekarev you to Sephardic Judaism. I want to be your Rabbi. I want you to eat spicy fish with peppers, garlic and carrots on Shabbat. I want you to greet the end of Passover with a hearty “Tirbach!” and moffletta. I want you to throw out your Slivovitz and other manifestations of alien European culture and instead have some Arak, sing piyutim, eat kitniyot and study Maimonides and Abravanel. But I’d be satisfied with just a permanent move to Israel where I can mock your geffilte fish everyday and you can mock my funny last name.

]]> By: Long Beach Chasid http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306361 Long Beach Chasid Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:02:54 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306361 CK- You arent schooling nothing, I get it you are years ahead of me and experienced everything I have when it "all began" Punk rock is not the sex pistols. It just happens to be that the sex pistols were punk rock. If you watch the "Decline of Western Civilization" series it just shows you how Punk has become "this is how we dress" "this is what we do" "this is how we act" and it went against the mainstream of society. True Punk Rock last 35 seconds and my analogy is more humor so stop making it so serious. They even sole our word. OY OY OY! not Oi Oi Oi.... You said it perfect. You are happy with your Sephardic roots. Chassidus isnt here to make you Chassidic, its there to help the Ashkenazim who are doing it all wrong by giving them a little bit of Sephardic flavor. As for Froy, I disagree on your last statement from start to finish and a Reform Rabbi is the last person I will believe about anything Jewish. Froy we are unable to change the others mind so lets just call it a draw. CK-

You arent schooling nothing, I get it you are years ahead of me and experienced everything I have when it “all began”

Punk rock is not the sex pistols. It just happens to be that the sex pistols were punk rock. If you watch the “Decline of Western Civilization” series it just shows you how Punk has become “this is how we dress” “this is what we do” “this is how we act” and it went against the mainstream of society. True Punk Rock last 35 seconds and my analogy is more humor so stop making it so serious. They even sole our word. OY OY OY! not Oi Oi Oi….

You said it perfect. You are happy with your Sephardic roots. Chassidus isnt here to make you Chassidic, its there to help the Ashkenazim who are doing it all wrong by giving them a little bit of Sephardic flavor.

As for Froy, I disagree on your last statement from start to finish and a Reform Rabbi is the last person I will believe about anything Jewish.

Froy we are unable to change the others mind so lets just call it a draw.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306354 froylein Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:43:13 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306354 I'm not trying to pin up Judaism as Christianity, but peek a lot at how much chronically the Rambam and the gemarah are removed from Mount Sinai, much more so the Baal Shem Tov, and what happened in between, and you'll see that the Christian influence on the Chasidic messianism are pretty strong in a copycat-sense of the word (cf. Rabbi Dr Michael Hilton, The Christian Effect on Judaism) I’m not trying to pin up Judaism as Christianity, but peek a lot at how much chronically the Rambam and the gemarah are removed from Mount Sinai, much more so the Baal Shem Tov, and what happened in between, and you’ll see that the Christian influence on the Chasidic messianism are pretty strong in a copycat-sense of the word (cf. Rabbi Dr Michael Hilton, The Christian Effect on Judaism)

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306353 ck Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:38:09 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306353 LBC: My holy brother, are you satisfied now that the wearing of payot was initially forced on the Yemenite Jews in 1667? I think that if all Jews in the temple period wore payot then the Moroccan communities established during the time of King Solomon would be wearing payot, as would the Ethiopian Jews I imagine. But they don't. We don't. As for punk rock, I don't mean to school you in the individualist, anti hierarchical, anti-authoritarian and often nihilist ethic that informed and fueled punk. It grew out of a reaction against the dominant "star" system in the music industry. Could you imagine Johnny Rotten or Joey Ramone holding court to thousands of fans, all of whom followed their instructions about how to live their daily lives? Punk Rock and Chareidi/Chassidic Judaism? I can't think of two more opposite things. I don't need you to bridge any divides. I like my Sephardic Judaism as is thank you. All I need from you is to be the best Jew you can be and to love all your fellow Jews freely and without preconditions. That's how we will bring Mashiach. That and not crashing scooters. That would be a good thing too. ;) LBC: My holy brother, are you satisfied now that the wearing of payot was initially forced on the Yemenite Jews in 1667? I think that if all Jews in the temple period wore payot then the Moroccan communities established during the time of King Solomon would be wearing payot, as would the Ethiopian Jews I imagine. But they don’t. We don’t.

As for punk rock, I don’t mean to school you in the individualist, anti hierarchical, anti-authoritarian and often nihilist ethic that informed and fueled punk. It grew out of a reaction against the dominant “star” system in the music industry.

Could you imagine Johnny Rotten or Joey Ramone holding court to thousands of fans, all of whom followed their instructions about how to live their daily lives? Punk Rock and Chareidi/Chassidic Judaism? I can’t think of two more opposite things.

I don’t need you to bridge any divides. I like my Sephardic Judaism as is thank you. All I need from you is to be the best Jew you can be and to love all your fellow Jews freely and without preconditions. That’s how we will bring Mashiach.

That and not crashing scooters. That would be a good thing too. ;)

]]> By: Long Beach Chasid http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306349 Long Beach Chasid Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:22:11 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306349 Moshiach ben David and ben Yosef are spoken about in the Gemara and Rambam sources it for one of the 13 principles of faith. The majority of commentaries also say that the Shiras Mayim has allusions of Moshiach and Techiyas HaMeisim. What is the deal with you trying to pin Judaism up as Christianity. Moshiach ben David and ben Yosef are spoken about in the Gemara and Rambam sources it for one of the 13 principles of faith. The majority of commentaries also say that the Shiras Mayim has allusions of Moshiach and Techiyas HaMeisim.

What is the deal with you trying to pin Judaism up as Christianity.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306348 froylein Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:12:17 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306348 I don't; the concept was shaped largely by Christian eschatology (there's no messianism in the Torah). Moshiach ben David (not son of, but from the house of David; picked up from the prophets) is the same as Moshiach ben Yosef (a later generation in the house of David; picked up from the Christians). I don’t; the concept was shaped largely by Christian eschatology (there’s no messianism in the Torah). Moshiach ben David (not son of, but from the house of David; picked up from the prophets) is the same as Moshiach ben Yosef (a later generation in the house of David; picked up from the Christians).

]]> By: Long Beach Chasid http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306346 Long Beach Chasid Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:08:08 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306346 Eh, Moshiach ben Yosef will come in the greatest distress but Moshiach ben David comes when we unite and agree. Thats why we pray 3 times a day Es Tzemach David Avdecha. Im glad you at least believe Moshiach is coming! B"H. Eh, Moshiach ben Yosef will come in the greatest distress but Moshiach ben David comes when we unite and agree. Thats why we pray 3 times a day Es Tzemach David Avdecha.

Im glad you at least believe Moshiach is coming! B”H.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306344 froylein Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:03:40 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306344 Eh, Moshiach's supposed to come in times of greatest distress to the Jews, not in times of unity and agreement. Eh, Moshiach’s supposed to come in times of greatest distress to the Jews, not in times of unity and agreement.

]]> By: Long Beach Chasid http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306328 Long Beach Chasid Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:40:27 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306328 Chasidim arent trying to "be" Sephardic. Theyre trying to bridge the spiritual divide between Ashkenaz and Sephardic to bring Moshiach. So far so good, as many have come back to Torah because of them. Youre next iy"H. Chasidim arent trying to “be” Sephardic.

Theyre trying to bridge the spiritual divide between Ashkenaz and Sephardic to bring Moshiach.

So far so good, as many have come back to Torah because of them.

Youre next iy”H.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306281 froylein Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:37:08 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306281 Still, my Middle Eastern roots are way more apparent than those of many Chasidim (CK can attest to that). And I live in the 21st century CE. Then again you are assimilated into a regressive take on 18th century Galician culture. :) And I don't write novels; I've got a proper job. Still, my Middle Eastern roots are way more apparent than those of many Chasidim (CK can attest to that). And I live in the 21st century CE. Then again you are assimilated into a regressive take on 18th century Galician culture. :)

And I don’t write novels; I’ve got a proper job.

]]> By: Long Beach Chasid http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306280 Long Beach Chasid Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:31:41 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306280 I love our circular arguements that have no ending in site. I cant wait to read your novel. I cant deny that Judaism has been influenced by the nations it has lived upon, but you to all in that melting pot holy sister. Only difference is you're Assimilated, Secular, and Enlightened. I love our circular arguements that have no ending in site.

I cant wait to read your novel.

I cant deny that Judaism has been influenced by the nations it has lived upon, but you to all in that melting pot holy sister.

Only difference is you’re Assimilated, Secular, and Enlightened.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306276 froylein Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:20:37 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306276 Chasidism is the Prussian bureaucracy of the Torah observing Jews - more literal than merited and intended. The commandment that resulted in payos of some degree is Lev 19:12. <a href="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Yemen.html" rel="nofollow">As for the Yemenite ones...</a> And Polish Jews did meet Moroccan Jews three-hundred years back already due to trade and migration. Obviously, customs did not always stick, otherwise all Galicianishe brides would now don red and yellow wedding dresses as used to be the custom. $8k a shtreimel doesn't sound far-off considering what the ones cost several of my friends got for their weddings. Wigs at $3,500 are no rarity either (though considered inappropriate by most rabbis of the 18th century as this new fad just picked up a Xian upper class fashion, which in turn copied Ancient Roman styles styarting with the Renaissance). Chasidism is the Prussian bureaucracy of the Torah observing Jews – more literal than merited and intended.

The commandment that resulted in payos of some degree is Lev 19:12. As for the Yemenite ones… And Polish Jews did meet Moroccan Jews three-hundred years back already due to trade and migration. Obviously, customs did not always stick, otherwise all Galicianishe brides would now don red and yellow wedding dresses as used to be the custom. $8k a shtreimel doesn’t sound far-off considering what the ones cost several of my friends got for their weddings. Wigs at $3,500 are no rarity either (though considered inappropriate by most rabbis of the 18th century as this new fad just picked up a Xian upper class fashion, which in turn copied Ancient Roman styles styarting with the Renaissance).

]]> By: Long Beach Chasid http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/04/so-many-yoms-so-little-time/#comment-1306269 Long Beach Chasid Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:47:27 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8184#comment-1306269 There is a part in the Gemara that discusses at length the process the Kohen must go through to wrap his hair in a head wrap. You think they had long hair like some metalhead Metallica fan? I believe they had long payos, but I guess we wont know untill Moshiach comes. The Arizal had long payos in the 1500's. I dont think it began with him, but even if so 500 years is a pretty solid Minhag. Most Charedi Orthodox Jews had some sort of long payos. Even the Non Chassidic ones like the followers of the Vilna Goan, Vilhoziner, Brisk, & Soloveitchik. I would like to see a source that says the Muslims forced the Yemenite Jews to have long payos. I read that it was simply a sign for themselves to be separated but you could be right. I dont "idol"ize any Tzaddikim so dont scape goat me as some Shabbati Tzvi Meshichist. The Chumras and Separation you speak about only cause conflict now because all the Jews live together again B"H. 300 years ago, even 60 years ago this wasnt a problem because most Polish Jews never met a Moroccan Jew. Different places developed different customs and stuck with them. No one buys $8000 shtreimels either more like around 2,000 which is still very expensive. Most Rebbes dont allow that though anymore. The Ger Rebbe forbids any Spodik to be over $1000. Chassidus is the Punk of the Torah observing Jews end of story, I dont care if you agree. :D Not keeping Torah is more damaging then Chumras but neither are good. Everyone gets so caught up with the Outside of the Chassidim. Do you think King David wore pants? Off with the pants!! I mean come on paaaaaants. There is a part in the Gemara that discusses at length the process the Kohen must go through to wrap his hair in a head wrap. You think they had long hair like some metalhead Metallica fan? I believe they had long payos, but I guess we wont know untill Moshiach comes. The Arizal had long payos in the 1500′s. I dont think it began with him, but even if so 500 years is a pretty solid Minhag. Most Charedi Orthodox Jews had some sort of long payos. Even the Non Chassidic ones like the followers of the Vilna Goan, Vilhoziner, Brisk, & Soloveitchik. I would like to see a source that says the Muslims forced the Yemenite Jews to have long payos. I read that it was simply a sign for themselves to be separated but you could be right. I dont “idol”ize any Tzaddikim so dont scape goat me as some Shabbati Tzvi Meshichist. The Chumras and Separation you speak about only cause conflict now because all the Jews live together again B”H. 300 years ago, even 60 years ago this wasnt a problem because most Polish Jews never met a Moroccan Jew. Different places developed different customs and stuck with them. No one buys $8000 shtreimels either more like around 2,000 which is still very expensive. Most Rebbes dont allow that though anymore. The Ger Rebbe forbids any Spodik to be over $1000.

Chassidus is the Punk of the Torah observing Jews end of story, I dont care if you agree. :D

Not keeping Torah is more damaging then Chumras but neither are good.

Everyone gets so caught up with the Outside of the Chassidim. Do you think King David wore pants? Off with the pants!! I mean come on paaaaaants.

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