Comments on: Dad, who was the third person on the planet? http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: craig http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1315379 craig Wed, 27 May 2009 21:00:09 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1315379 adam and eve were the 1st people created by g_d but that does not mean they were the only people created this way otherwise we would all be short or have an extra chromosone if you know what i mean adam and eve were the 1st people created by g_d but that does not mean they were the only people created this way otherwise we would all be short or have an extra chromosone if you know what i mean

]]> By: rejewvenator http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314769 rejewvenator Mon, 25 May 2009 13:45:21 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314769 The traditional answer is that Cain was born with a twin girl, and Abel was born at the same time as two other girsl (triplets). According to one telling of the story, Cain and Abel were actually fighting over who would marry the 'extra' girl. Cain claimed the right as the first-born, and Abel claimed the right b/c she was born with him. So yes, incest. The traditional answer is that Cain was born with a twin girl, and Abel was born at the same time as two other girsl (triplets). According to one telling of the story, Cain and Abel were actually fighting over who would marry the ‘extra’ girl. Cain claimed the right as the first-born, and Abel claimed the right b/c she was born with him. So yes, incest.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314527 froylein Sun, 24 May 2009 22:34:38 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314527 Satmar has got summer camps, Tom. Not unusually, unmarried men (bochurim) are sent there even if they should be in their ripe early twenties already - keeps them out of trouble and costs the parents an arm and a leg. Satmar has got summer camps, Tom. Not unusually, unmarried men (bochurim) are sent there even if they should be in their ripe early twenties already – keeps them out of trouble and costs the parents an arm and a leg.

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314423 Tom Morrissey Sun, 24 May 2009 15:29:36 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314423 Oh, and do the Satmars run summer camps? Oh, and do the Satmars run summer camps?

]]> By: Tom Morrissey http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314422 Tom Morrissey Sun, 24 May 2009 15:27:58 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314422 Middle's son shows again how right Nabokov was when he had one of his characters say, curiosity is insubordination in its purest form. I think froylein's right. Maybe now, maybe in a question or two down the road, you've got to articulate how Scripture should be read and understood. It sounds like you want a quick and easy, literal answer now to put off just this discussion. But that pesky kid of yours is probably onto you already. (Perhaps, however, God anticipated just these kinds of parenting moments when He created Playstation.) Middle’s son shows again how right Nabokov was when he had one of his characters say, curiosity is insubordination in its purest form.

I think froylein’s right. Maybe now, maybe in a question or two down the road, you’ve got to articulate how Scripture should be read and understood. It sounds like you want a quick and easy, literal answer now to put off just this discussion.

But that pesky kid of yours is probably onto you already.

(Perhaps, however, God anticipated just these kinds of parenting moments when He created Playstation.)

]]> By: Rick (r3d) http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314314 Rick (r3d) Sun, 24 May 2009 07:57:25 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314314 themiddle, I'm betting it's a bet you've already made, whether you realize it or not, although given the tenor of this post I'm also betting that your chips are on one team or another! themiddle, I’m betting it’s a bet you’ve already made, whether you realize it or not, although given the tenor of this post I’m also betting that your chips are on one team or another!

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314295 ck Sun, 24 May 2009 06:54:10 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314295 I asked the exact same question to my Rabbi when we first learned this in elementary school. His answer was that God had created others after Adam and Eve. Makes sense to me. I asked the exact same question to my Rabbi when we first learned this in elementary school. His answer was that God had created others after Adam and Eve. Makes sense to me.

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314251 froylein Sun, 24 May 2009 04:28:56 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314251 Middle, I'd always start by finding out what his thoughts are and then take it from there. I've repeatedly seen kids come up with pretty clever answers by themselves. Middle, I’d always start by finding out what his thoughts are and then take it from there. I’ve repeatedly seen kids come up with pretty clever answers by themselves.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314236 themiddle Sun, 24 May 2009 03:09:40 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314236 Where do I place this bet? Where do I place this bet?

]]> By: Rick (r3d) http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314232 Rick (r3d) Sun, 24 May 2009 03:01:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314232 You can bet that GOD didn't make more than two people as all are descended from these two. I understand Sarah to be a half-sister of Abraham, Gen 20:11-12 and incest to only become incest with Lev 18:6-18. You can bet that GOD didn’t make more than two people as all are descended from these two.

I understand Sarah to be a half-sister of Abraham, Gen 20:11-12 and incest to only become incest with Lev 18:6-18.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314219 themiddle Sun, 24 May 2009 01:54:14 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314219 Incest and genetic defects are not on the table. We haven't had a discussion about the veracity of the Torah. I think he has some doubts because this question was not as innocent as his earlier ones. In fact, while the earlier questions about dinosaurs and whether God is made of atoms were genuinely inquisitive and sought to understand something challenging, in this instance I had the impression he was questioning the entire story. Yehuda, I hear ya, but the story in the Torah is about Adam and Eve as the very first human beings. There's no mention of anybody else at the beginning in Genesis 1 and in chapter 2, you also don't really get the impression there is anybody else. I like your explanation and it may be the one I give him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's skeptical. Incest and genetic defects are not on the table.

We haven’t had a discussion about the veracity of the Torah. I think he has some doubts because this question was not as innocent as his earlier ones. In fact, while the earlier questions about dinosaurs and whether God is made of atoms were genuinely inquisitive and sought to understand something challenging, in this instance I had the impression he was questioning the entire story.

Yehuda, I hear ya, but the story in the Torah is about Adam and Eve as the very first human beings. There’s no mention of anybody else at the beginning in Genesis 1 and in chapter 2, you also don’t really get the impression there is anybody else. I like your explanation and it may be the one I give him, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s skeptical.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314180 Dennis Sat, 23 May 2009 22:53:31 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314180 *If* you believe in evolution and that the Torah isn't a precise historical account, then tell him. I think it is ridicules that schools teach all Torah (and worse yet, midrash) as historical fact and then later on tell students that it isn't quite that way. *If* you believe in evolution and that the Torah isn’t a precise historical account, then tell him. I think it is ridicules that schools teach all Torah (and worse yet, midrash) as historical fact and then later on tell students that it isn’t quite that way.

]]> By: vicki http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314166 vicki Sat, 23 May 2009 22:15:40 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314166 Wait until you get to questions about Lot. Wait until you get to questions about Lot.

]]> By: Yehuda Berlinger http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314165 Yehuda Berlinger Sat, 23 May 2009 22:15:15 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314165 The bible doesn't exclude God from having made other men and women at the same time as Adam and Eve (either pre- or post-lapsarian); only theirs was a story worth concentrating on. Actually, a number of commentaries tackle this question as well. Crack open the books! The bible doesn’t exclude God from having made other men and women at the same time as Adam and Eve (either pre- or post-lapsarian); only theirs was a story worth concentrating on.

Actually, a number of commentaries tackle this question as well. Crack open the books!

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314154 froylein Sat, 23 May 2009 21:45:37 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314154 (I don't know how old your son is, but I suppose you'd like to spare him the notion of incest and the lame excuse of genetic purity and perfection.) (I don’t know how old your son is, but I suppose you’d like to spare him the notion of incest and the lame excuse of genetic purity and perfection.)

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314153 froylein Sat, 23 May 2009 21:43:15 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314153 The Torah's info is contradictory; Cain fears to get killed in exile, which suggests it was assumed other people were living in other places. I'd be quite frank about it and say it as it is, i.e. there are stories in the Torah with which people tried to explain the world they lived in. There are two stories of creation, both stress a different aspect, but the consensus of both is that god created this world in its entirety. Make it a game, have your son explain a somewhat "complex" matter as he would to a younger child to make him get an idea of that sometimes people explain matters in simple terms if they are too elusive or complicated for them to grasp. As an initial reply, I suggest the time-proved question, "What do <em>you</em> think how it happened?" The Torah’s info is contradictory; Cain fears to get killed in exile, which suggests it was assumed other people were living in other places.

I’d be quite frank about it and say it as it is, i.e. there are stories in the Torah with which people tried to explain the world they lived in. There are two stories of creation, both stress a different aspect, but the consensus of both is that god created this world in its entirety. Make it a game, have your son explain a somewhat “complex” matter as he would to a younger child to make him get an idea of that sometimes people explain matters in simple terms if they are too elusive or complicated for them to grasp. As an initial reply, I suggest the time-proved question, “What do you think how it happened?”

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314151 themiddle Sat, 23 May 2009 21:35:36 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314151 Good one. And this is how humanity came about? Good one.

And this is how humanity came about?

]]> By: froylein http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/dad-who-was-the-third-person-on-the-planet/#comment-1314150 froylein Sat, 23 May 2009 21:30:40 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=8605#comment-1314150 <i>The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.</i> (Gen 5:4) The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters. (Gen 5:4)

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