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		<title>By: Modern Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1315034</link>
		<dc:creator>Modern Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a student at York who chose to wear a baseball cap to cover his kippah for the remainder of the winter semester 2009 because of the February incidents. 

That&#039;s not happening at other Canadian institutions. My institution (though flawed for other reasons) feels safe, whereas York feels like the last place I want to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a student at York who chose to wear a baseball cap to cover his kippah for the remainder of the winter semester 2009 because of the February incidents. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not happening at other Canadian institutions. My institution (though flawed for other reasons) feels safe, whereas York feels like the last place I want to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewlicious &#187; Incoming York University Student President Reprimanded, Fined and Unaplogetic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewlicious &#187; Incoming York University Student President Reprimanded, Fined and Unaplogetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 07:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] far we have a number of posts about the incident in Feb., 2009 when identifiably Jewish students were blocked inside the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1314925</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi again. Timely developments here- when I asked Pres. Shoukri about the incident in Feb, the punishments of the students hadn&#039;t yet been announced. 

Do I think reprimands are sufficient? It depends on what they could prove, I guess, and I&#039;m not in a position to judge that. I&#039;m willing to give Pres. Shoukri the benefit of the doubt, for now, because I think he&#039;s in a good position to make a change if he really wants to and really gets it. 

We&#039;ll see. 

thanks and happy shavuot

Neal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi again. Timely developments here- when I asked Pres. Shoukri about the incident in Feb, the punishments of the students hadn&#8217;t yet been announced. </p>
<p>Do I think reprimands are sufficient? It depends on what they could prove, I guess, and I&#8217;m not in a position to judge that. I&#8217;m willing to give Pres. Shoukri the benefit of the doubt, for now, because I think he&#8217;s in a good position to make a change if he really wants to and really gets it. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see. </p>
<p>thanks and happy shavuot</p>
<p>Neal</p>
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		<title>By: thebookmistress</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1314915</link>
		<dc:creator>thebookmistress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conclusion just proves that the investigation was a joke. &quot;Please feel free to harass and bully Jewish students. Physical threats are totally acceptable. Nobody related to this university, such as the university president or the campus police, will do anything to stop you. Just try not to get caught on camera too much, if you can help it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conclusion just proves that the investigation was a joke. &#8220;Please feel free to harass and bully Jewish students. Physical threats are totally acceptable. Nobody related to this university, such as the university president or the campus police, will do anything to stop you. Just try not to get caught on camera too much, if you can help it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1314888</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal, I just stumbled across York&#039;s conclusion to the investigation. I&#039;ve updated the post accordingly.

Do you believe this is a sufficient response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal, I just stumbled across York&#8217;s conclusion to the investigation. I&#8217;ve updated the post accordingly.</p>
<p>Do you believe this is a sufficient response?</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1314881</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Neal, I&#039;m not going anywhere and you are welcome to follow up with us if you see any development that merits attention. As of now, the reporting we&#039;ve provided includes the first-hand videos, the responses by the York administration to date and now this binationalist conference. Shades of Concordia last time Netanyahu was in the PM&#039;s office. I think you can&#039;t complain that we&#039;ve provided misinformation or have misdirected anyone. The worst accusation against us might be that we&#039;ve used some hyperbole in our titles. 

I realize that Shoukri has his hands full, and that this is a very delicate issue because so many people are invested in it. However, it appears from reports I&#039;ve read that some Jewish students have come to feel uncomfortable on that campus. If that&#039;s the case with affiliated and self-identified Jewish students, you can bet that those Jewish students who are ambivalent about Israel or Jewish life or unaffiliated in general, are quietly disengaging from their identity as Jews. 

It&#039;s unpleasant to be called a racist or a supporter of genocide and murder when you&#039;re there to get an education. Yet this is precisely the environment currently fostered on that campus with the full knowledge of the administration and faculty. 

I&#039;d rather be reporting good news about York University and every other university that we cover on Jewlicious (UC Irvine probably gets more attention from us). It would be nice if we actually received some good news about York and such news would be reported immediately by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Neal, I&#8217;m not going anywhere and you are welcome to follow up with us if you see any development that merits attention. As of now, the reporting we&#8217;ve provided includes the first-hand videos, the responses by the York administration to date and now this binationalist conference. Shades of Concordia last time Netanyahu was in the PM&#8217;s office. I think you can&#8217;t complain that we&#8217;ve provided misinformation or have misdirected anyone. The worst accusation against us might be that we&#8217;ve used some hyperbole in our titles. </p>
<p>I realize that Shoukri has his hands full, and that this is a very delicate issue because so many people are invested in it. However, it appears from reports I&#8217;ve read that some Jewish students have come to feel uncomfortable on that campus. If that&#8217;s the case with affiliated and self-identified Jewish students, you can bet that those Jewish students who are ambivalent about Israel or Jewish life or unaffiliated in general, are quietly disengaging from their identity as Jews. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s unpleasant to be called a racist or a supporter of genocide and murder when you&#8217;re there to get an education. Yet this is precisely the environment currently fostered on that campus with the full knowledge of the administration and faculty. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather be reporting good news about York University and every other university that we cover on Jewlicious (UC Irvine probably gets more attention from us). It would be nice if we actually received some good news about York and such news would be reported immediately by me.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1314879</link>
		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;There are many excellent universities in Canada other than York.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sure there are. But just a reminder - &lt;a href=&quot;http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4076&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not Concordia.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There are many excellent universities in Canada other than York.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are. But just a reminder &#8211; <a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4076" rel="nofollow">not Concordia.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1314874</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah, Middle, you know my yetzer hara by now, I can&#039;t stay away from a good discussion. 

FYI I asked President Shoukri, directly, about this incident at an alumni event last week- and I was wearing a big ol&#039; kippah, so it&#039;s not like he wouldn&#039;t know why I was asking. He pointed out two things:

1) The incident and some of the students involved were recorded, the university has the videos, and there is a process within the university of bringing students who act unacceptably to account- and sometimes that process takes months with appeals and reviews. 

2) There are stories going around of horrible things that were said to Jewish students, but he (Pres of York U) told me that the University could not verify with eyewitnesses some of what was reported. 

I have no idea if what Pres. Shoukri said is true or not, but it makes a certain amount of sense that if the university was, in fact, in the middle of an academic investigation, they&#039;d keep mum till it was finished, and it also makes sense that these things take months, b/c of due process and all that. 

For now, I believe Pres. Shoukri understands what so many in the Jewish community are upset about. 

I am not in any way sanitizing the nastiness of some of the discourse around Israel at York or other leading universities- I&#039;m only saying that in this particular case I&#039;m now willing to suspend judgment, for a while, that the university dropped the ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah, Middle, you know my yetzer hara by now, I can&#8217;t stay away from a good discussion. </p>
<p>FYI I asked President Shoukri, directly, about this incident at an alumni event last week- and I was wearing a big ol&#8217; kippah, so it&#8217;s not like he wouldn&#8217;t know why I was asking. He pointed out two things:</p>
<p>1) The incident and some of the students involved were recorded, the university has the videos, and there is a process within the university of bringing students who act unacceptably to account- and sometimes that process takes months with appeals and reviews. </p>
<p>2) There are stories going around of horrible things that were said to Jewish students, but he (Pres of York U) told me that the University could not verify with eyewitnesses some of what was reported. </p>
<p>I have no idea if what Pres. Shoukri said is true or not, but it makes a certain amount of sense that if the university was, in fact, in the middle of an academic investigation, they&#8217;d keep mum till it was finished, and it also makes sense that these things take months, b/c of due process and all that. </p>
<p>For now, I believe Pres. Shoukri understands what so many in the Jewish community are upset about. </p>
<p>I am not in any way sanitizing the nastiness of some of the discourse around Israel at York or other leading universities- I&#8217;m only saying that in this particular case I&#8217;m now willing to suspend judgment, for a while, that the university dropped the ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Something&#8217;s rotten at York University &#124; Vlad Tepes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Something&#8217;s rotten at York University &#124; Vlad Tepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was February.  This is today (Post #2):  It’s not as if this was secret. It was reported in a national [...]</description>
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		<title>By: thebookmistress</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/more-on-york-university/#comment-1314842</link>
		<dc:creator>thebookmistress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 19:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometime in the very early 90s, I used to edit the Letters &amp; Opinions page of the York University newspaper. We used to call it &quot;the unsolvable ethnic conflicts page&quot; -- it was the Greeks and Macedonians one week, Kurds and Turks the next, the various constituents of the former Yugoslavia the week after... And yet things somehow managed to not descend to this level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometime in the very early 90s, I used to edit the Letters &amp; Opinions page of the York University newspaper. We used to call it &#8220;the unsolvable ethnic conflicts page&#8221; &#8212; it was the Greeks and Macedonians one week, Kurds and Turks the next, the various constituents of the former Yugoslavia the week after&#8230; And yet things somehow managed to not descend to this level.</p>
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