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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the debate prior to the election. You can see Krisna and then you can see (around 5:30 minutes in), the candidate who must be a Zionist racist.

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The comments under the video include one apparently by Zimmerman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the debate prior to the election. You can see Krisna and then you can see (around 5:30 minutes in), the candidate who must be a Zionist racist.</p>
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<p>The comments under the video include one apparently by Zimmerman.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this video, too. 

Calling them racists is a joke. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this video, too. </p>
<p>Calling them racists is a joke. </p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/05/second-student-reprimanded-by-york-u-denies-any-wrongdoing/comment-page-1/#comment-1317083</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some civil Jewish Drop YFS supporters (AKA Zimmerman&#039;s Racist Zionists) being yelled at by the outgoing prez of the YFS. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some civil Jewish Drop YFS supporters (AKA Zimmerman&#8217;s Racist Zionists) being yelled at by the outgoing prez of the YFS. </p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, for that debate Jesse would first have to watch me oppose the York University student govt.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, for that debate Jesse would first have to watch me oppose the York University student govt.  <img src='http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>themiddle - we&#039;re in complete agreement here. I just said that in order to try and prevent this from turning to an &quot;is Zionism racism?&quot; debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>themiddle &#8211; we&#8217;re in complete agreement here. I just said that in order to try and prevent this from turning to an &#8220;is Zionism racism?&#8221; debate.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, is it possible that the organizer who may or may not have said &quot;“What would YOU people know about democracy&quot; to &quot;two visible minorities&quot; was talking to two members of the YFS government who do happen to be visible minorities and were ignoring the demands and claims of the Drop YFS group? Could it be that what he meant, Jesse, is that these two people who were either elected to the YFS or were supporters of the YFS behaved in an UNDEMOCRATIC fashion and were not acting in the interest of the student body that elected them?

That&#039;s what I think.

I don&#039;t think there was ANY racism in the statement you supposedly heard. There was criticism - fair criticism, it seems - of the governing by the YFS. This is perfectly legitimate and can only be construed as racism if you&#039;re looking for a lie to use against your foes who have a legitimate claim to which you have no response. In other words, it&#039;s a cynical ploy just as the original post above claims.

LB, Jesse can&#039;t grab anything. He feels it&#039;s justified to go up to Jewish students and call them racists because they&#039;re Zionists. After all, even if you assume that his story is true and all of the Drop YFS members and leaders were racists (which they aren&#039;t, and there is no evidence, including his story above, that indicates they are), what is the connection between that and Zionism? 

And Jesse, it is perfectly legitimate for a group called Drop YFS that is angry about the YFS&#039;s poor handling of a strike to become outraged that the next step their democratically elected student government takes is to pass a resolution condemning Israel. That is also about governance and not about Zionism or anything else connected to it, as the presence of non-Jews and people who weren&#039;t affiliated with the Jewish groups listed by Krisna in the video, not to mention the thousands of voters who voted to impeach the YFS, proves conclusively. 

And Jesse, please stop trying to lecture us about manners. If ck attacks you &quot;personally&quot; or if somebody calls you a &quot;self-hating Jew,&quot; you may be offended, but it really isn&#039;t beneath you. What you did that day at York U was so low that it would take quite a bit to insult you worse than you insulted yourself with your behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, is it possible that the organizer who may or may not have said &#8220;“What would YOU people know about democracy&#8221; to &#8220;two visible minorities&#8221; was talking to two members of the YFS government who do happen to be visible minorities and were ignoring the demands and claims of the Drop YFS group? Could it be that what he meant, Jesse, is that these two people who were either elected to the YFS or were supporters of the YFS behaved in an UNDEMOCRATIC fashion and were not acting in the interest of the student body that elected them?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I think.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there was ANY racism in the statement you supposedly heard. There was criticism &#8211; fair criticism, it seems &#8211; of the governing by the YFS. This is perfectly legitimate and can only be construed as racism if you&#8217;re looking for a lie to use against your foes who have a legitimate claim to which you have no response. In other words, it&#8217;s a cynical ploy just as the original post above claims.</p>
<p>LB, Jesse can&#8217;t grab anything. He feels it&#8217;s justified to go up to Jewish students and call them racists because they&#8217;re Zionists. After all, even if you assume that his story is true and all of the Drop YFS members and leaders were racists (which they aren&#8217;t, and there is no evidence, including his story above, that indicates they are), what is the connection between that and Zionism? </p>
<p>And Jesse, it is perfectly legitimate for a group called Drop YFS that is angry about the YFS&#8217;s poor handling of a strike to become outraged that the next step their democratically elected student government takes is to pass a resolution condemning Israel. That is also about governance and not about Zionism or anything else connected to it, as the presence of non-Jews and people who weren&#8217;t affiliated with the Jewish groups listed by Krisna in the video, not to mention the thousands of voters who voted to impeach the YFS, proves conclusively. </p>
<p>And Jesse, please stop trying to lecture us about manners. If ck attacks you &#8220;personally&#8221; or if somebody calls you a &#8220;self-hating Jew,&#8221; you may be offended, but it really isn&#8217;t beneath you. What you did that day at York U was so low that it would take quite a bit to insult you worse than you insulted yourself with your behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 16:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ck - your last question is the relevant one - &quot;please tell me how the goings on in a tiny country 10,000 miles away is of any relevance to the proper governance of York students?&quot;

Of course it isn&#039;t, and while the rest of what you say is right, as well, I fear that JesseZ might grab onto your (correct) argument about Zionism not being racism, and turn this into that debate instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ck &#8211; your last question is the relevant one &#8211; &#8220;please tell me how the goings on in a tiny country 10,000 miles away is of any relevance to the proper governance of York students?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it isn&#8217;t, and while the rest of what you say is right, as well, I fear that JesseZ might grab onto your (correct) argument about Zionism not being racism, and turn this into that debate instead.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 16:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Jesse. I&#039;ll try and be civil since I recognize the fact that it is very brave of you to attempt dialog with us here.

I thank you for your anecdotal evidence. You can understand why it&#039;s not as compelling as information coming from an unbiased source but let&#039;s grant you the courtesy of assuming its basic veracity, ok? Now, are you saying that the isolated actions of a few individuals are reflective of the entire organization? Are you saying that Drop YFS is in fact a racist organization, populated by racist individuals bent on promoting a racist agenda? Do you feel that Hillel is a racist organization? Do you acknowledge the fact that most Jews are supporters of Israel? If so are most Jews racist?

These are of course loaded questions. I&#039;m speaking to you from Jerusalem. I&#039;m outside in a cafe right now in the central market. The guy dishing out nuts in the kiosk next to me is a dark Kurdish Jew. Two redhead hassidic girls just walked by. My Palestinian neighbor is up the street buying pitas. Sitting next to me is an Ethiopian Jewish couple and near them a Muslim family - the wife is wearing a Chador and the husband is bearded and wearing a white Islamic style cap. 

So tell me again how Zionism is racism? And please tell me how the goings on in a tiny country 10,000 miles away is of any relevance to the proper governance of York students?

Finally, I&#039;m wondering when YFS is going to pass a resolution condemning the 20,000 civilian deaths caused by the Sri Lankan Army&#039;s recent defeat of the Tamil Tigers.

Send me the press release. I&#039;m waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Jesse. I&#8217;ll try and be civil since I recognize the fact that it is very brave of you to attempt dialog with us here.</p>
<p>I thank you for your anecdotal evidence. You can understand why it&#8217;s not as compelling as information coming from an unbiased source but let&#8217;s grant you the courtesy of assuming its basic veracity, ok? Now, are you saying that the isolated actions of a few individuals are reflective of the entire organization? Are you saying that Drop YFS is in fact a racist organization, populated by racist individuals bent on promoting a racist agenda? Do you feel that Hillel is a racist organization? Do you acknowledge the fact that most Jews are supporters of Israel? If so are most Jews racist?</p>
<p>These are of course loaded questions. I&#8217;m speaking to you from Jerusalem. I&#8217;m outside in a cafe right now in the central market. The guy dishing out nuts in the kiosk next to me is a dark Kurdish Jew. Two redhead hassidic girls just walked by. My Palestinian neighbor is up the street buying pitas. Sitting next to me is an Ethiopian Jewish couple and near them a Muslim family &#8211; the wife is wearing a Chador and the husband is bearded and wearing a white Islamic style cap. </p>
<p>So tell me again how Zionism is racism? And please tell me how the goings on in a tiny country 10,000 miles away is of any relevance to the proper governance of York students?</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m wondering when YFS is going to pass a resolution condemning the 20,000 civilian deaths caused by the Sri Lankan Army&#8217;s recent defeat of the Tamil Tigers.</p>
<p>Send me the press release. I&#8217;m waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 15:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I can see ck is only interested in making personal attacks so I wont respond further.  The DROP YFS were approaching students with stars of DAvid or any other identifiably Jewish symbols and rather than bringing up the strike were bringing up the YFS condemnation of the bombing of Gaza motion.  There was one case where a young woman student who was identifiably Jewish declined to sign because she was in agreement with the YFS, they proceeded to call her a disgrace.  Many racist comments were made by DROP YFS members, particularly towards Muslim and Arab students.  There was one point where one of the organizers was heard saying : &quot;What would YOU people know about democracy?&quot; to two members of the YFS who were visible minorities.  Again, I did not film this, so I&#039;m sorry.  I realize cameras make a big difference in the eys of the world but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that DROP YFS members were saying things like this.  

You ask for sources.  I have none.  I witnessed them, as I was actually present and did not record them.  Can I expect you to believe me?  No, it&#039;s clear you already made up your minds about me so there&#039;s no use continuing to say anything.

The reason why people went to Hillel was because they thought the press conference was continuing up there and wanting to see what was going on.  I was one of a hundred or so people.  It was clear to me, as well as others, that a major compnenet of the DROP YFS campaign was over the bombing of Gaza.  As I said, no anti-semitic comments were made, I heard absolutely none of the that, and if I had I would have left.  Believe what you want, believe what the media says, but the adjudicator to this case had no conclusive evidence that the door was ever barricaded or that  anti-semitic comments were ever made.

Think whatever you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I can see ck is only interested in making personal attacks so I wont respond further.  The DROP YFS were approaching students with stars of DAvid or any other identifiably Jewish symbols and rather than bringing up the strike were bringing up the YFS condemnation of the bombing of Gaza motion.  There was one case where a young woman student who was identifiably Jewish declined to sign because she was in agreement with the YFS, they proceeded to call her a disgrace.  Many racist comments were made by DROP YFS members, particularly towards Muslim and Arab students.  There was one point where one of the organizers was heard saying : &#8220;What would YOU people know about democracy?&#8221; to two members of the YFS who were visible minorities.  Again, I did not film this, so I&#8217;m sorry.  I realize cameras make a big difference in the eys of the world but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that DROP YFS members were saying things like this.  </p>
<p>You ask for sources.  I have none.  I witnessed them, as I was actually present and did not record them.  Can I expect you to believe me?  No, it&#8217;s clear you already made up your minds about me so there&#8217;s no use continuing to say anything.</p>
<p>The reason why people went to Hillel was because they thought the press conference was continuing up there and wanting to see what was going on.  I was one of a hundred or so people.  It was clear to me, as well as others, that a major compnenet of the DROP YFS campaign was over the bombing of Gaza.  As I said, no anti-semitic comments were made, I heard absolutely none of the that, and if I had I would have left.  Believe what you want, believe what the media says, but the adjudicator to this case had no conclusive evidence that the door was ever barricaded or that  anti-semitic comments were ever made.</p>
<p>Think whatever you want.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 13:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Lord. I didn&#039;t think it was possible but York&#039;s admission standards seem to have declined even further! Jesse, your logic and excuses are pathetic. Sad even. You may not think of yourself as a racist or a self hating Jew but your actions belie your assertions. You targeted Jewish students because they were Jewish, and while I thank you for moving people out of the way of the door so that the scared shitless Jews could exit in an orderly manner whilst being heaped with abuse by the mob you helped assemble and instigate, your caring humanitarian pose is just not convincing. And I&#039;d also like to repeat the request for the third time, that you provide at least the names of the Jews (other than you and your gang of course) that used racial epithets. Names, dates, any kind of documentation at all would be nice. Anything. Till then any decent person will continue to view you as a bully, a racist, a coward and a fucking liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord. I didn&#8217;t think it was possible but York&#8217;s admission standards seem to have declined even further! Jesse, your logic and excuses are pathetic. Sad even. You may not think of yourself as a racist or a self hating Jew but your actions belie your assertions. You targeted Jewish students because they were Jewish, and while I thank you for moving people out of the way of the door so that the scared shitless Jews could exit in an orderly manner whilst being heaped with abuse by the mob you helped assemble and instigate, your caring humanitarian pose is just not convincing. And I&#8217;d also like to repeat the request for the third time, that you provide at least the names of the Jews (other than you and your gang of course) that used racial epithets. Names, dates, any kind of documentation at all would be nice. Anything. Till then any decent person will continue to view you as a bully, a racist, a coward and a fucking liar.</p>
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