Comments on: 9 Things I Learned at Affilicon ‘09

By: BizB

BizB — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:21:07 +0000

Round II?

nu-uh.

By: froylein

froylein — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:14:29 +0000

You know what’s really weird, Jazz? The “Peace.” greeting with the particularly striking (and incorrect) full-stop gives away your true identity.

By: Jazz

Jazz — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:52:10 +0000

“Miriam, the degree also makes people legally accountable; the average doctor does not fall asleep during surgery and if he does, he can be hold legally accountable.”

Froylein – you totally miss Miriam’s point – your arguments are predicated on degrees = competency, and that competency should inspire trust. Degrees are a dime a dozen, all it shows is that the people who have them are willing to pay a lot of money from “experts” to learn a trade.

That’s weird – when I phrase it like that, it kinda sounds like the same thing that Internet marketers do…

If you an issue with Harlan, that’s fine – but gross over generalizations don’t fly (as Miriam’s excellent analogy shows). And you don’t need a degree to be held legally accountable – you’re legally accountable as a merchant operating in the exchange of goods and services. It doesn’t matter if I graduated 3rd grade if I own a restaurant and someone gets sick on my food.

I’m not saying that Harlan is a “good guy” – I’m saying gross over generalizations just don’t work, and you’re depending on a lot of that in arguments.

And if you’re frustrated with how Kilstein is communicating with you – learn how to communicate better. If you set a lame tone and start off with accusations, it’s not going to get better by simply repeating your complaints.

You might have some very valid points, but if you express them in an overly-biased way, you’ll lose every time. Maybe Kilstein is a SLIME BAG. And maybe JFK WAS KILLED BY THE MAFIA. And I might have compelling evidence to prove both – but if I present that evidence in a way that detracts from my credibility (i.e., overly biased), everyone in the room will just be happy when I shut up and leave. And that seems to be the road you’re walking.

Of course, this is the point where you roll your eyes and say “I’m just presenting the facts to these idiots, and they don’t get it, they’re getting hung up on trivial details.”

Not really – again, the problem is that if you present facts in such a way that people perceive you are trying to make up their mind FOR them, then they will reject your idea even if it’s accurate, simply because nobody likes to be told what to think. You can chalk this up to “idiots not accepting the truth”, but the reality is that you’re responsible as the communicator to accurately present your ideas in a way that is palatable.

You can’t blame people for rejecting food that tastes like crap even if it is “nutritious”.

I take that back – you CAN, but you won’t be cooking for very long.

Peace.

By: Jess

Jess — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:50:02 +0000

Okay, so I’m a little late jumping into this discussion, and I did not attend the conference nor did I really read all the comments. I completely agree about getting competent copywriters, but I why do people always forget to talk about visuals????? Come on people! Are photo editors a dying breed?

By: Bizb

Bizb — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:36:08 +0000

(groan)

let it die!

(disclaimer as posted above still stands.)

By: Shimshon

Shimshon — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:23:35 +0000

A quick update for the countless people who are undoubtedly still following this thread, despite its near-death:

froylein and I have exchanged emails and she plans to be in touch the next time she visits Israel. Then we can try to meet for a tête-à-tête, a la CK and Harlan (lehavdil). Preferably without the arak though unless CK joins us.

Zag, still waiting to hear from you…

By: Shimshon

Shimshon — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:09:58 +0000

Froy,

Yes, you can contact me at the email address I used in the form.

By: Bizb

Bizb — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:28:54 +0000

OK Zag is out? Harlan’s Out? I’m Out, Too!*

I think that froleyn or salty will be honored with the final post.

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*= This statement had not been assesed by the FDA, SBA or FCC for accuracy or completeness. This may change at any time.

By: froylein

froylein — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:26:39 +0000

Tom, the expression I have learnt is “to get / have one’s knickers in a knot”. I suppose some people’s underwear cannot be distinguished from their shoes.

Funny that we now also are collectively responsible for busting a relatively new phenomenon in Jewish eschatology. I hope at least Sheryl Crow will get paid her due royalties.

By: Bizb

Bizb — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:26:17 +0000

Harlan is VERY VERY rude and VERY VERY VERY obnoxious. (he claims it to be a business strategy. whatever…)

After a personal meeting (at which he seemed kinda nice for 240 minutes or so) with many of the posters in this tread, including Mr. Jewlicious, It seems that Harlan knows his stuff. (although there are other people/books in/on the planet that know much much much much much much much much much more.)

Zag, based on all the comments above can we agree that the two are correct?

If you can agree, then we can close this discussion.

Or is it just a way to generate continued interest in this post that should have died after The Cafe Aroma Challenge?

PS. Next time, PLEASE go to a place with a Mehadrin hechsher, so I can drink something!

(I mean Cafe Rimon was DOWN THE BLOCK!! AAAAAH!!)