Israel is not built on racism and Zionists are not racist. What’s ironic, though, is that people who attack Israel like to forget that Jordan, a country with a majority population of Palestinians, does not permit Jews to be citizens. In fact, they may not even be residents. Likewise in Saudi Arabia and Gaza.

And you are right. Looking at Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Gaza, I have to agree that countries should not be built on the basis of bigotry and hatred.

How ironic that people who cannot abide Jews living in their midst should be supported by people who attack Zionism, a liberal, democratic movement, with accusations of racism.

Well, maybe it’s not ironic. Maybe it’s just disgusting double standards.

The synagogue of Satan.

Well, the Jews are nothing like the Nazis. It was actually the Palestinians who collaborated with the Nazis. Something else you may wish to read.

The Palestinians are certainly responsible for the attacks on Jews going back to 1920 and repeating for decades to come. They were part of the forces which attacked Israel in 1948 and are no less responsible for the losses the Arabs suffered than any Arab country.

As for ‘48 borders, they are clearly not good enough considering that the Arabs conquered the holiest part of Jerusalem, destroyed every Jewish place of prayer, used gravestones for walkways and kicked out every last Jew from the place. These borders facilitated attacks on Israel by Arab terrorists and encouraged their armies to believe they could attack again in 1967.

As for a single state? The Palestinians can move to Jordan. The Jewish people have a right to self-determination. They have offered sufficient opportunities for the Palestinians to compromise that all the Palestinians need to do is negotiate in good faith and close the deal. Instead, they have shills like you calling Jews Nazis. Well, that’s why they have nothing except their rhetorical attacks and their leaders’ Swiss bank accounts.

As for you, congratulations on getting me to talk to a pig who compares the Nazis to Jews but our discussion is over.

didn’t you just separate the two? you just made my point for me. zionists are jewish nationalists just like the nazis were German nationalists so what’s your point? and don’t give me any of that “they were a socialists” they were far from anything remotely considered socialist.

how are Palestinians responsible for the actions of the populations of Saudi Arabia,Egypt,Iraq,Iran,Russia,Germany (who by the way every arab country sided against)or any other country?

so only jews lived in the area for 3,000 years? and only they have a right to a safe and secure country? only they are allowed an army, air force, and navy?

tell me again why the borders of 48 aren’t good enough?
oh yeah a book, that if you had never ever heard or seen before and was walking through a book store and so happened to stumble upon and read it for just a few minutes would think it belongs in the science fiction section right along side H.G. Wells,harry potter,and the guy who wrote the lion,the witch, and the wardrobe.

don’t cry wolf about unrest and militias over policies and claim the moral high ground meanwhile the government is akin to a Fascist government. even the american people reject the far-right tactics and blinders. and i know,i know “just another misinformation propaganda campaign by 3rd world poverty level people in the millions”

there’s a famous quote someone with your (if i haven’t read ya wrong) political and everyday thinking once said. something along the lines of “Mister Gorbachev,tear down these walls!”…only YOU are the Russians in this conflict.

F it why not just have 1 state and have equal rights for all? anyone who doesn’t go for a united whole state and brings matters to the point where innocent civilians are being killed in mass numbers and terrorism in it’s truest form is being done. then you crack down on them like the f-ing mob was cracked down.
but not just you cause if you believe in freedom and and right to live your life w/o fear of death,hunger,and sewer lines running down your streets. water being taken in violation of common sense and morals. then you should be the bigger “man” and man up and live together or wait till no one even remembers why their fighting each other.

oh wait that’s now

I’ll make a couple of points to help you out.

The government of Israel is made up of the elected representatives of Israel. There are Zionists and non-Zionists who run for office. Because of the Jewish identity of most of the population of Israel and because Israel was founded as a state of the Jewish people, it has always been the case that the elected representatives who have built the various governments Israel has had over the years have been both Jewish and Zionist. In fact, Zionism is the embodiment of the nationalist part of the Jewish people. It’s quaint when people try to separate the two, but in fact Zionism is about Jewish nationalism and while you have non-Jewish Zionists and non-Zionist Jews, the fact remains that Israel is run by Jewish Zionists. You can’t separate the two, sorry.

Second, the “West Bank” and Gaza are divided because they were always divided. It’s simple geography. It has nothing to do with Israel. Israel has offered a land-bridge between the two in their various peace offers. As noted already, the Palestinians won’t compromise.

The Palestinians can complain all they want about how others can’t determine their borders for them but that is precisely what happened with Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. So why not the Palestinians? Oh, and Israel. So why not the Palestinians?

Because they don’t agree that there is a historic connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel even though the Jewish people have lived there for 2500-3000 years. They need to disabuse themselves of this lie where the Jews somehow are less worthy of this land than they are. They also need to digest the reality that all their attempts at obstructing the return of Jews to Zion have failed. They need to digest the fact that the wars they caused and brought on since 1920 are the key reason that 800,000 Eastern Jews had to leave or flee their homes in Arab and Muslim lands eventually landing in many countries including Israel where they and their descendants are more than half the population today.

How does one expect to have peace? It’s simple. The outlines for peace – a fair and just peace – were outlined at Taba in 2001 and last year by Ehud Olmert. On the day the Palestinians decide they don’t want the whole enchilada – that is, all of Israel – they will settle for these fair terms and there will be peace.

middle your right there is and was a natural Palestinian population in Jordan, however there was a natural Palestinian population in the state of Israel as well.

the whole thing goes back to Britain and it’s reshaping of borders after the fall of the Ottoman empire and the moving in of Britain and France as major powers controlling the area.

ever wonder why they keep refusing to compromise and are leery to negotiate? could it be that they see the entire state as a fraud because foreign powers drew up the lines and said here this is yours now?

Every arab state and leader is responsible for the plight of the Palestinians no question about it. again they are as corrupt as any PM, President,and King or Queen.

but the question remains the same how do you expect to have any peace when you have cut the West Bank and Gaza into 2 separate parcels and are continuing to build settlements? shit just yesterday or today Barak and Netanyahu said 1,450 apartments of which 50 are green lighted to go now are to be built in Adam as part of a plan to relocate Jewish settlers there from Migron, an unauthorized outpost that is to be evacuated.

why not simply give up land for peace? as you say there never was a Palestinian state, also there never an Israeli state until Britain.

Jordan’s population is 65% Palestinians because the British used their authority to divide Palestine into two parts: TransJordan, east of the Jordan River and Palestine, west of the Jordan. TransJordan was supposed to be a province of Palestine, but the British ensured that it remained separate and indeed Jordan declared statehood in 1946 without any contest. It was sitting on about four fifths of the land that was Palestine which might explain to you that far from being a population of refugees, there is a natural Palestinian population in Jordan.

And they evicted all the Jews just because.

By the way, the British Mandate was to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine (there had never been a state called Palestine, it was an Ottoman province). This Mandate was declared by the predecessor to the UN, the League of Nations. Yet, despite this international support and promises, and despite the fact that the Jews had to give up the idea of a Jewish state that included the land east of the Jordan River because that was given to the Arabs as a promised Arab state, they still were asked to split the remaining fifth of Palestine with the local Arabs, now known as Palestinians. The Palestinians refused, but the Jews agreed in 1937 and 1947. And again they offered to divide in 1994, 2000, 2001 and 2008. The Palestinians continue to reject compromise, do not negotiate in good faith and educate people like you with tons of misinformation.

As for the Ulster Plantation Act, it put a tiny Protestant minority (that was not wanted in England either) in control of a Catholic majority.