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	<title>Comments on: The Messy State of Medical Marijuana in Israel</title>
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		<title>By: LeahGG</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/06/the-messy-state-of-medical-marijuana-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1421160</link>
		<dc:creator>LeahGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it&#039;s just a plant&quot;
so is deadly nightshade, rosary pea, jimson weed, yew, oleander... 

heck, even apple seeds can be deadly if you eat too many of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s just a plant&#8221;<br />
so is deadly nightshade, rosary pea, jimson weed, yew, oleander&#8230; </p>
<p>heck, even apple seeds can be deadly if you eat too many of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Aryeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabbi Aryeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, even Freud studied hypnosis for years in France, and his son said that Freud told him at the end of his life that he would have focused only on hypnosis if he would have known just how great it really was. 

Marijuana might cause long-term effects in sleep, but that varies from person to person.  

It&#039;s just a plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, even Freud studied hypnosis for years in France, and his son said that Freud told him at the end of his life that he would have focused only on hypnosis if he would have known just how great it really was. </p>
<p>Marijuana might cause long-term effects in sleep, but that varies from person to person.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a plant.</p>
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		<title>By: froylein</title>
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		<dc:creator>froylein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read that info that come with her meds and also looked the medication she gets up in a reference work on Parkison treatments. 

 Had you really studied psychology as you claim you did (you&#039;ll be hard pressed to find a psychology faculty at a reputable university that&#039;ll teach you hypnosis), you&#039;d know it&#039;s highly scientific and highly concerned with gathering tons of data, using control groups, and critically analysing empirical evidence. 
I&#039;m speaking out experience with many people that have been destroyed by this stuff, physically and mentally. My experiences are not only mine but go in line with most recent research as backed by our Federal Ministry of Health. The link is above. You, on the other hand, are speaking from the point of view of a user. My experience tells me that users will always try to validate use for themselves. 

I&#039;m not a victiom of the war on drugs. Many friends and students are victims of the effects of drugs. Read up on long-term effects of marijuana causing sleep disorders. You might well be another victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read that info that come with her meds and also looked the medication she gets up in a reference work on Parkison treatments. </p>
<p> Had you really studied psychology as you claim you did (you&#8217;ll be hard pressed to find a psychology faculty at a reputable university that&#8217;ll teach you hypnosis), you&#8217;d know it&#8217;s highly scientific and highly concerned with gathering tons of data, using control groups, and critically analysing empirical evidence.<br />
I&#8217;m speaking out experience with many people that have been destroyed by this stuff, physically and mentally. My experiences are not only mine but go in line with most recent research as backed by our Federal Ministry of Health. The link is above. You, on the other hand, are speaking from the point of view of a user. My experience tells me that users will always try to validate use for themselves. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a victiom of the war on drugs. Many friends and students are victims of the effects of drugs. Read up on long-term effects of marijuana causing sleep disorders. You might well be another victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Aryeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabbi Aryeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Froylein,

Your grandmother&#039;s medication only has one possible side effect?  That&#039;s simply not possible, have you ever read the inserts that come with medication.  Marijuana is completely natural and can be grown organically.  Any person who has every smoked, either recreationally or medically realizes that there are huge potential benefits of marijuana for a whole slew of medical issues, not all being terminal.

I haven&#039;t smoked marijuana in years.  However, I have a sleep disorder.  I was on valium for years to help me sleep.  I almost died going off the valium because I stopped it abruptly after a skiing accident and I had terrible anxiety attacks from stopping the valium.  Before taking the valium, I smoked marijuana in the evenings and I slept really good on most nights.  I&#039;ve been to some of the best sleep doctors and sleep labs in the US, and I&#039;ve found nothing that works for me (they just want to push pills down my throat).  If my Chupat Cholim would prescribe it, I would definitely consider smoking before bed.  Those were the times in my life that I felt the best physically and mentally.

Psychology is certainly not a science.  Just because it&#039;s taught at University doesn&#039;t prove anything.  I was trained for over 3 years in hypnosis, and I have read many, many books on psychology.  A lot of opinions, not a lot of science.

The discussion here was about medical marijuana, not recreational use. Every Orthodox Posek and Rabbi would agree that if a doctor prescribes it, then it is completely Mutar (permissible).

You&#039;re simply speaking out of ignorance....another sad victim of the war on drugs.

Btw...I&#039;m an utra-orthodox Jew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Froylein,</p>
<p>Your grandmother&#8217;s medication only has one possible side effect?  That&#8217;s simply not possible, have you ever read the inserts that come with medication.  Marijuana is completely natural and can be grown organically.  Any person who has every smoked, either recreationally or medically realizes that there are huge potential benefits of marijuana for a whole slew of medical issues, not all being terminal.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t smoked marijuana in years.  However, I have a sleep disorder.  I was on valium for years to help me sleep.  I almost died going off the valium because I stopped it abruptly after a skiing accident and I had terrible anxiety attacks from stopping the valium.  Before taking the valium, I smoked marijuana in the evenings and I slept really good on most nights.  I&#8217;ve been to some of the best sleep doctors and sleep labs in the US, and I&#8217;ve found nothing that works for me (they just want to push pills down my throat).  If my Chupat Cholim would prescribe it, I would definitely consider smoking before bed.  Those were the times in my life that I felt the best physically and mentally.</p>
<p>Psychology is certainly not a science.  Just because it&#8217;s taught at University doesn&#8217;t prove anything.  I was trained for over 3 years in hypnosis, and I have read many, many books on psychology.  A lot of opinions, not a lot of science.</p>
<p>The discussion here was about medical marijuana, not recreational use. Every Orthodox Posek and Rabbi would agree that if a doctor prescribes it, then it is completely Mutar (permissible).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re simply speaking out of ignorance&#8230;.another sad victim of the war on drugs.</p>
<p>Btw&#8230;I&#8217;m an utra-orthodox Jew.</p>
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		<title>By: froylein</title>
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		<dc:creator>froylein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminder - if psychology were not science, it wouldn&#039;t be taught at secular universities. The suggestion though that &quot;years of questionable therapy&quot; is in any way inferior to the highly questionable use of a drug that in numerous studies has shown to affect behaviour and the brain is in and of itself anything but scientific. It does neither compare results nor side-effects, and the underlying idea that marijuana / cannabis doesn&#039;t cause side-effects if it&#039;s prescribed by a doctor does not have any side effects - as the very components are used to generate the desired effects that enter the body during recreational use - doesn&#039;t sound anything but scientific either. Furthermore, it&#039;s not a cure but a suppression of symptoms. Patient information leaflets that come with cough suppressants tell you the stuff is only for temporary use and advises you to see a doctor if symptoms persist after a few days. A suppressant hardly can be a lifetime&#039;s solution.

The medication my grandma uses tackles the cause of her Parkinson&#039;s: the imbalance between dopamine and glutamate in her brain. The only known side-effect of her medication could be hyperkinesia at a later stage (though she&#039;s old and might never get there). This contrasts rather favourably to indifference, an increased risk of schizophrenia, schizothymia etc.

As for terminally ill patients, I think anything that eases their pain is legitimate. As for non-terminally ill patients, there indeed are a lot of side-effects to be considered and options must be gauged.

But what I was getting at above is that potheads and potheads-to-be use the, still debatable, advantages of medical marijuana compared to e.g. morphia in terminally ill cancer patients and deduce from that that recreational use is also harmless. That is factually wrong. It&#039;s not only me that has seen the effects on young people, but there are numerous studies out there that indicate that the stuff is anything but harmless, has got serious side effects, and that we&#039;re only just now getting to see the long-term side effects among those that started taking it in the 1960s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminder &#8211; if psychology were not science, it wouldn&#8217;t be taught at secular universities. The suggestion though that &#8220;years of questionable therapy&#8221; is in any way inferior to the highly questionable use of a drug that in numerous studies has shown to affect behaviour and the brain is in and of itself anything but scientific. It does neither compare results nor side-effects, and the underlying idea that marijuana / cannabis doesn&#8217;t cause side-effects if it&#8217;s prescribed by a doctor does not have any side effects &#8211; as the very components are used to generate the desired effects that enter the body during recreational use &#8211; doesn&#8217;t sound anything but scientific either. Furthermore, it&#8217;s not a cure but a suppression of symptoms. Patient information leaflets that come with cough suppressants tell you the stuff is only for temporary use and advises you to see a doctor if symptoms persist after a few days. A suppressant hardly can be a lifetime&#8217;s solution.</p>
<p>The medication my grandma uses tackles the cause of her Parkinson&#8217;s: the imbalance between dopamine and glutamate in her brain. The only known side-effect of her medication could be hyperkinesia at a later stage (though she&#8217;s old and might never get there). This contrasts rather favourably to indifference, an increased risk of schizophrenia, schizothymia etc.</p>
<p>As for terminally ill patients, I think anything that eases their pain is legitimate. As for non-terminally ill patients, there indeed are a lot of side-effects to be considered and options must be gauged.</p>
<p>But what I was getting at above is that potheads and potheads-to-be use the, still debatable, advantages of medical marijuana compared to e.g. morphia in terminally ill cancer patients and deduce from that that recreational use is also harmless. That is factually wrong. It&#8217;s not only me that has seen the effects on young people, but there are numerous studies out there that indicate that the stuff is anything but harmless, has got serious side effects, and that we&#8217;re only just now getting to see the long-term side effects among those that started taking it in the 1960s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tikun Olam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tikun Olam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s pinpoint the subject - I&#039;m not talking about legalizing Cannabis for recreational use; I&#039;m not talking about terminally ill patients - but patients whose doctor prescribed Medical Cannabis: Do you think it&#039;s alright? And if not, why? And in your example - do you see any difference between the medication your Grandmother is taking and Medical Cannabis (besides Medical Cannabis being without any side effects)?
Regarding PTSD - PTSD has 3 main symptoms: Invasion (polshanut), over-awakeness and avoidance (=avoiding being in situations that might raise the bad memories). The invasion can be reduced thanks to Medical Cannabis starting day one. So what, the poor guy has to suffer for years through questionable therapy (reminder - psychology is not science) - or would you allow him to get some sleep at night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s pinpoint the subject &#8211; I&#8217;m not talking about legalizing Cannabis for recreational use; I&#8217;m not talking about terminally ill patients &#8211; but patients whose doctor prescribed Medical Cannabis: Do you think it&#8217;s alright? And if not, why? And in your example &#8211; do you see any difference between the medication your Grandmother is taking and Medical Cannabis (besides Medical Cannabis being without any side effects)?<br />
Regarding PTSD &#8211; PTSD has 3 main symptoms: Invasion (polshanut), over-awakeness and avoidance (=avoiding being in situations that might raise the bad memories). The invasion can be reduced thanks to Medical Cannabis starting day one. So what, the poor guy has to suffer for years through questionable therapy (reminder &#8211; psychology is not science) &#8211; or would you allow him to get some sleep at night?</p>
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		<title>By: froylein</title>
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		<dc:creator>froylein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not as ignorant as those that confuse the medical use of cannabis for terminally ill patients with legalising marijuana et al. altogether. I do get to see the results of use every workday, and they&#039;re anything but pretty.

BTW, my grandmother&#039;s been ill with Parkinson&#039;s for about two decades now, and she takes medication against the shaking. 
PTSD patients don&#039;t need drugs but therapy. You don&#039;t cure a person by silencing the symptoms rather than tackling the cause of their misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as ignorant as those that confuse the medical use of cannabis for terminally ill patients with legalising marijuana et al. altogether. I do get to see the results of use every workday, and they&#8217;re anything but pretty.</p>
<p>BTW, my grandmother&#8217;s been ill with Parkinson&#8217;s for about two decades now, and she takes medication against the shaking.<br />
PTSD patients don&#8217;t need drugs but therapy. You don&#8217;t cure a person by silencing the symptoms rather than tackling the cause of their misery.</p>
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		<title>By: mark in east berlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark in east berlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how ignorant can one person be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how ignorant can one person be?</p>
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		<title>By: Tikun Olam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tikun Olam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should all see the fantastic impact that Medical Cannabis has on patients, not only terminal - cancer patients during chemo get back their appetite; Parkinson patients&#039; hands stop shaking; chronic pain patients can function; PTSD patients can sleep at night. I see them every time in in the Tikun Olam clinic.
Patients who use Medical Cananbis are not &quot;high&quot; or &quot;stoned&quot; or whatever. The impact of Medical Cannabis on people who need it is purely therapeutic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should all see the fantastic impact that Medical Cannabis has on patients, not only terminal &#8211; cancer patients during chemo get back their appetite; Parkinson patients&#8217; hands stop shaking; chronic pain patients can function; PTSD patients can sleep at night. I see them every time in in the Tikun Olam clinic.<br />
Patients who use Medical Cananbis are not &#8220;high&#8221; or &#8220;stoned&#8221; or whatever. The impact of Medical Cannabis on people who need it is purely therapeutic.</p>
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		<title>By: InAgony</title>
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		<dc:creator>InAgony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who doesn&#039;t drink, smoke, or generally use drugs but has now been in agonizing pain that keeps me from doing important things like caring for my children, the idea of using a drug which may mildly impair my judgment to help with the incredible pain doesn&#039;t seem so bad. 

I don&#039;t own a car, so you needn&#039;t worry about me putting you in danger on the roads. 

for the record, I&#039;ve never been high. I&#039;ve never been drunk. I&#039;ve also never been in this much pain. Acamol and ibuprofen and all that stuff doesn&#039;t make any difference because this is neuropathic pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who doesn&#8217;t drink, smoke, or generally use drugs but has now been in agonizing pain that keeps me from doing important things like caring for my children, the idea of using a drug which may mildly impair my judgment to help with the incredible pain doesn&#8217;t seem so bad. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t own a car, so you needn&#8217;t worry about me putting you in danger on the roads. </p>
<p>for the record, I&#8217;ve never been high. I&#8217;ve never been drunk. I&#8217;ve also never been in this much pain. Acamol and ibuprofen and all that stuff doesn&#8217;t make any difference because this is neuropathic pain.</p>
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