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		<title>By: Ephraim</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344452</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephraim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? I sent an e-mail to that address already, Muffti. You didn&#039;t get it?

I sent it from my regular e-mail account, so it could be in your spam folder.

I just sent you another one. One of them should get through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? I sent an e-mail to that address already, Muffti. You didn&#8217;t get it?</p>
<p>I sent it from my regular e-mail account, so it could be in your spam folder.</p>
<p>I just sent you another one. One of them should get through.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Muffti</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344440</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Muffti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allright, ephraim who plays like a girl hard to get, the eaddress is 

gm@jewlicious.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allright, ephraim who plays like a girl hard to get, the eaddress is </p>
<p><a href="mailto:gm@jewlicious.com">gm@jewlicious.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ephraim</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344438</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephraim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t need to learn anything, DK. An asshole is an asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t need to learn anything, DK. An asshole is an asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: froylein</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344373</link>
		<dc:creator>froylein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a little aside, if the shrimp wasn&#039;t in there intentionally (&quot;Might contain traces of ...&quot;) and made up no more than 5% of the quantity, it might have been an Orthodox rabbi.. 
The frum crowd doesn&#039;t eat OU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a little aside, if the shrimp wasn&#8217;t in there intentionally (&#8221;Might contain traces of &#8230;&#8221;) and made up no more than 5% of the quantity, it might have been an Orthodox rabbi..<br />
The frum crowd doesn&#8217;t eat OU.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344369</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and ck&#039;s fish sticks story makes me think that an Orthodox rabbi cleared the fish sticks, if there were such fish sticks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and ck&#8217;s fish sticks story makes me think that an Orthodox rabbi cleared the fish sticks, if there were such fish sticks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344368</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think we&#039;re pretty nuanced about political positions. For example, I&#039;ve spent quite a bit of time attacking Walt &amp; Mearsheimer and they are from the right. I consider them to be as dangerous as many of the lefties whose views I criticize. I have also supported and support the Gaza disengagement to the same degree that I supported attacking Gaza for their constant bombing of Israel. My recent post about leaving the West Bank advocates a unilateral withdrawal and I have posted that Olmert&#039;s plan to internationalize the holy basin in Jerusalem makes sense as a solution. Those views are not mainstream in Israel at all and they would be considered leftist views, not rightist ones.

As for attacks on Orthodox Jews, or support for non-Orthodox who are attacked by the Orthodox, I admit to being lax about this recently, but that&#039;s probably due to a desire to avoid a war on the site. It&#039;s not as if those nasty debates achieved anything other than to offend some people sufficiently that they stopped reading us altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think we&#8217;re pretty nuanced about political positions. For example, I&#8217;ve spent quite a bit of time attacking Walt &#038; Mearsheimer and they are from the right. I consider them to be as dangerous as many of the lefties whose views I criticize. I have also supported and support the Gaza disengagement to the same degree that I supported attacking Gaza for their constant bombing of Israel. My recent post about leaving the West Bank advocates a unilateral withdrawal and I have posted that Olmert&#8217;s plan to internationalize the holy basin in Jerusalem makes sense as a solution. Those views are not mainstream in Israel at all and they would be considered leftist views, not rightist ones.</p>
<p>As for attacks on Orthodox Jews, or support for non-Orthodox who are attacked by the Orthodox, I admit to being lax about this recently, but that&#8217;s probably due to a desire to avoid a war on the site. It&#8217;s not as if those nasty debates achieved anything other than to offend some people sufficiently that they stopped reading us altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344347</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thanks for putting me in touch with my Orthodox Judaism.  i wouldn&#039;t have eaten those fish sticks, either.  I&#039;ve never been keen on shellfish, either (crabmeet excepted).  And I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything &quot;offensive&quot; about your religious beliefs-- but let&#039;s face it, when it comes to inclusiveness and a live-and-let-live approach, Orthodox Judaism and Catholicism can&#039;t hold a candle to Reform Jews or Unitarians, among many others.

You may be right about seeing more to engage in what the lefties contribute here.  But as your own comment just now suggests, you don&#039;t see an immediate alternative to the status quo (no P. partner to deal with, etc.), and the right-wingers share that as a default position.  I suspect that if I were Israeli, I&#039;d vote right-of-center, and I&#039;d be quite concerned that the left has seized the intellectual and, increasingly, the political initiative on Israel/Palestine issues.  That&#039;s why lefties get more attention from Middle and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thanks for putting me in touch with my Orthodox Judaism.  i wouldn&#8217;t have eaten those fish sticks, either.  I&#8217;ve never been keen on shellfish, either (crabmeet excepted).  And I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything &#8220;offensive&#8221; about your religious beliefs&#8211; but let&#8217;s face it, when it comes to inclusiveness and a live-and-let-live approach, Orthodox Judaism and Catholicism can&#8217;t hold a candle to Reform Jews or Unitarians, among many others.</p>
<p>You may be right about seeing more to engage in what the lefties contribute here.  But as your own comment just now suggests, you don&#8217;t see an immediate alternative to the status quo (no P. partner to deal with, etc.), and the right-wingers share that as a default position.  I suspect that if I were Israeli, I&#8217;d vote right-of-center, and I&#8217;d be quite concerned that the left has seized the intellectual and, increasingly, the political initiative on Israel/Palestine issues.  That&#8217;s why lefties get more attention from Middle and others.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIPAC is just a lot more savvy than J Street. Could you imagine AIPAC having a poll run and directly analyzed by their VP and then clumsily hiding the fact that he or she is their VP and then trying to pass off the results as scientific?? AIPAC is a colossus and J-Street is trying to play with the big boys. Who knows? Maybe they&#039;ll get more savvy as time goes on, but so far I&#039;m not impressed. I can say that for the most part I personally support Obama. I have no issue with a two state solution. Let me know when there&#039;s someone authoritative we can negotiate with! In any case, said support need not be blind. Isn&#039;t that how J-Street justifies it&#039;s pro-Israel cred?

As for the takedowns, I think the right wing nutbars that grace our pages on occasion are, well... prima facie ridiculous. They usually don&#039;t merit any kind of response, whereas others who frame their sometimes unfair arguments in an otherwise reasonable manner, require a response. When we tangle with someone, it&#039;s usually a sign of respect. As for my &quot;uncritical alignment with Othodoxy’s denial of legitimacy to other denominations&quot; - dude. How many times do I have to explain that? Do I have to get into the fish sticks issue again? Yes? OK. I went shopping in Montreal and saw some fish sticks with a nice fancy kosher sign - a rare treat! As I was standing in line, bored, I read the ingredients and saw that said fish sticks contained shrimp particles! Totally unkosher! At least by my standards. So by not eating said fish sticks, was I being intolerant and insulting the Rabbi of whatever liberal denomination of Judaism that tried to pass these off as kosher? No. I don&#039;t think so. Despite the fact that I do not personally accept the authority of any but Orthodox Rabbis, I still recognize that Conservative and Reform etc. Rabbis are the leaders of their communities and accord them the respect due their positions. I do not insist that all Jewlicious writers follow my way of thinking and our Festivals welcome all, including non-Orthodox Rabbis who conduct services there. AND I am not a blind follower either! I stopped eating meat because Orthodox Rabbis certified Agriprocessors horrifically produced meat as kosher. I called the Rabbis who refused to grant women a religious divorce &quot;ass clowns.&quot; I think my position is nuanced, honest and inoffensive. Anyone who finds my position worthy of an uproar ought to contemplate their own level of tolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIPAC is just a lot more savvy than J Street. Could you imagine AIPAC having a poll run and directly analyzed by their VP and then clumsily hiding the fact that he or she is their VP and then trying to pass off the results as scientific?? AIPAC is a colossus and J-Street is trying to play with the big boys. Who knows? Maybe they&#8217;ll get more savvy as time goes on, but so far I&#8217;m not impressed. I can say that for the most part I personally support Obama. I have no issue with a two state solution. Let me know when there&#8217;s someone authoritative we can negotiate with! In any case, said support need not be blind. Isn&#8217;t that how J-Street justifies it&#8217;s pro-Israel cred?</p>
<p>As for the takedowns, I think the right wing nutbars that grace our pages on occasion are, well&#8230; prima facie ridiculous. They usually don&#8217;t merit any kind of response, whereas others who frame their sometimes unfair arguments in an otherwise reasonable manner, require a response. When we tangle with someone, it&#8217;s usually a sign of respect. As for my &#8220;uncritical alignment with Othodoxy’s denial of legitimacy to other denominations&#8221; &#8211; dude. How many times do I have to explain that? Do I have to get into the fish sticks issue again? Yes? OK. I went shopping in Montreal and saw some fish sticks with a nice fancy kosher sign &#8211; a rare treat! As I was standing in line, bored, I read the ingredients and saw that said fish sticks contained shrimp particles! Totally unkosher! At least by my standards. So by not eating said fish sticks, was I being intolerant and insulting the Rabbi of whatever liberal denomination of Judaism that tried to pass these off as kosher? No. I don&#8217;t think so. Despite the fact that I do not personally accept the authority of any but Orthodox Rabbis, I still recognize that Conservative and Reform etc. Rabbis are the leaders of their communities and accord them the respect due their positions. I do not insist that all Jewlicious writers follow my way of thinking and our Festivals welcome all, including non-Orthodox Rabbis who conduct services there. AND I am not a blind follower either! I stopped eating meat because Orthodox Rabbis certified Agriprocessors horrifically produced meat as kosher. I called the Rabbis who refused to grant women a religious divorce &#8220;ass clowns.&#8221; I think my position is nuanced, honest and inoffensive. Anyone who finds my position worthy of an uproar ought to contemplate their own level of tolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/08/he-mocks-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1344335</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jewlicious clearly puts out a diversity of points of view, and ck has an admirable, strong commitment to freedom of speech-- but the same can be said for the Wall Street Journal op-ed page.  To this neutral observer, the blog is right-of-center politically, indeed increasingly so.  See, e.g., the emergent status of J Street as whipping-boy; we don&#039;t get like scrutiny of the foibles of AIPAC.

I&#039;m not advocating the latter, simply making what seems to me a self-evident point about the center of gravity on the blog.   If you&#039;re taking on J Street substantively, for example, you&#039;re effectively taking on Obama and what constitutes majority Jewish opinion here in the US, which supports his policy of creating &quot;daylight&quot; between this country and Israel. 

In another example, left-of-center types (EV, KFJ, xisnotx) are far more likely to face verbal takedowns by Middle (our self-described moderate) and others, than are hard-right contributors.  And ck&#039;s uncritical alignment with Othodoxy&#039;s denial of legitimacy to other denominations would&#039;ve sparked an in-house uproar back in the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jewlicious clearly puts out a diversity of points of view, and ck has an admirable, strong commitment to freedom of speech&#8211; but the same can be said for the Wall Street Journal op-ed page.  To this neutral observer, the blog is right-of-center politically, indeed increasingly so.  See, e.g., the emergent status of J Street as whipping-boy; we don&#8217;t get like scrutiny of the foibles of AIPAC.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating the latter, simply making what seems to me a self-evident point about the center of gravity on the blog.   If you&#8217;re taking on J Street substantively, for example, you&#8217;re effectively taking on Obama and what constitutes majority Jewish opinion here in the US, which supports his policy of creating &#8220;daylight&#8221; between this country and Israel. </p>
<p>In another example, left-of-center types (EV, KFJ, xisnotx) are far more likely to face verbal takedowns by Middle (our self-described moderate) and others, than are hard-right contributors.  And ck&#8217;s uncritical alignment with Othodoxy&#8217;s denial of legitimacy to other denominations would&#8217;ve sparked an in-house uproar back in the day.</p>
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		<title>By: froylein</title>
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		<dc:creator>froylein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently EV&#039;s comics are on point often enough to get a lot of knickers in a knot.

In my profession, I often have to evaluate style and how content is related / organised, and I&#039;ve seen a lot of widely acclaimed yet badly organised, unfocused, and overall pointless babble that is not fit to hold a candle to EV&#039;s comics. Disagree with his views all you want, but his style is good as in being consistent, to-the-point, and sharp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently EV&#8217;s comics are on point often enough to get a lot of knickers in a knot.</p>
<p>In my profession, I often have to evaluate style and how content is related / organised, and I&#8217;ve seen a lot of widely acclaimed yet badly organised, unfocused, and overall pointless babble that is not fit to hold a candle to EV&#8217;s comics. Disagree with his views all you want, but his style is good as in being consistent, to-the-point, and sharp.</p>
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