Comments on: J Street: A New Avenue for Ideas or a Dead End? Day 1 http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/ It's a Jewish Blog! Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:15:19 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: themicah http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1371131 themicah Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:24:32 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1371131 <i>Having Dickie Silverstein, Mondo Weiss, and Max Blumenthal at the convention is analogous to AIPAC inviting Robert Spencer (Jihad Watch) and Daniel Pipes to speak at theirs. No one would condone the latter, so why condone the former?</i> From what I've read, the Silverstein/Weiss/Blumenthal panel was technically not part of the J Street conference, although the separation appears to have been a nominal distancing only. I agree, however, that AIPAC probably wouldn't even provide a room at their conference for the right-wing equivalents (as J Street did for that panel). And my guess is that J Street will learn from their mistakes in that regard if they really want to be taken seriously by the pro-Israel moderate left. Having Dickie Silverstein, Mondo Weiss, and Max Blumenthal at the convention is analogous to AIPAC inviting Robert Spencer (Jihad Watch) and Daniel Pipes to speak at theirs. No one would condone the latter, so why condone the former?

From what I’ve read, the Silverstein/Weiss/Blumenthal panel was technically not part of the J Street conference, although the separation appears to have been a nominal distancing only. I agree, however, that AIPAC probably wouldn’t even provide a room at their conference for the right-wing equivalents (as J Street did for that panel). And my guess is that J Street will learn from their mistakes in that regard if they really want to be taken seriously by the pro-Israel moderate left.

]]> By: Larry http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1371068 Larry Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:57:51 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1371068 Ck no way.... trust me... we are different.... these guys were scary. one guy.. totally oblivious.. would type and type through entire panels and speaches... but not quietly.. he would pound his keyboard. he probably has aspergers, cuz he was oblivious to the stares of his neighbors and participants. that is what i mean. some people were just so ernestly self involved that they were oblivious to the wider picture or even to their own impact on the people next to them. but of course,,, i am just filled with love and respect for them Ck no way…. trust me… we are different…. these guys were scary. one guy.. totally oblivious.. would type and type through entire panels and speaches… but not quietly.. he would pound his keyboard. he probably has aspergers, cuz he was oblivious to the stares of his neighbors and participants. that is what i mean. some people were just so ernestly self involved that they were oblivious to the wider picture or even to their own impact on the people next to them. but of course,,, i am just filled with love and respect for them

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1371061 ck Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:48:08 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1371061 Larry wrote: "If you saw some of the bloggers there or even some bloggers on a panel or two, you would never read their works again. They are important only in their own minds and among their friends and frenemies..." Hey! That's kinda like... us. Fuck. Larry wrote: “If you saw some of the bloggers there or even some bloggers on a panel or two, you would never read their works again. They are important only in their own minds and among their friends and frenemies…”

Hey! That’s kinda like… us. Fuck.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1370893 themiddle Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:52:28 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1370893 Wow, apparently Silverstein's actions on this video were only the beginning of the harassment of Hillel. Read the whole <a href="http://www.jstreetjive.com/2009/10/j-streets-big-tent-comes-crashing-down.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">sad and sordid tale</a>. Wow, apparently Silverstein’s actions on this video were only the beginning of the harassment of Hillel.

Read the whole sad and sordid tale.

]]> By: Joshua http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1370836 Joshua Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:08:26 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1370836 TM is right. Having Dickie Silverstein, Mondo Weiss, and Max Blumenthal at the convention is analogous to AIPAC inviting Robert Spencer (Jihad Watch) and Daniel Pipes to speak at theirs. No one would condone the latter, so why condone the former? TM is right. Having Dickie Silverstein, Mondo Weiss, and Max Blumenthal at the convention is analogous to AIPAC inviting Robert Spencer (Jihad Watch) and Daniel Pipes to speak at theirs. No one would condone the latter, so why condone the former?

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1370710 themiddle Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:47:45 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1370710 Themicah, fair point. Then again, one of the reasons I'm not a member of AIPAC is precisely that I'd rather not let others define me or be able to outvote me on important issues. Is Code Pink an anomaly at J Street or representative of a large percentage of its members? Seeing Richard Silverstein there doesn't give me much confidence. Themicah, fair point. Then again, one of the reasons I’m not a member of AIPAC is precisely that I’d rather not let others define me or be able to outvote me on important issues. Is Code Pink an anomaly at J Street or representative of a large percentage of its members? Seeing Richard Silverstein there doesn’t give me much confidence.

]]> By: themicah http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1370680 themicah Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:03:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1370680 <i>For example, this woman from Code Pink.... My second inclination is to avoid J Street and recognize that under their big tent they have members whose views are anathema to me and whose approach to the Arab-Israeli conflict leads, in my opinion, to more wars and not peace.</i> How is the Code Pink lady's involvement with J Street any different than a Kahanist showing up at AIPAC? The one time I went to the AIPAC convention (during Bibi's last administration) there were a number of people there who had views way to the right of what I believed, but I didn't avoid AIPAC for having a big tent that included them. My guess is that there are folks under AIPAC's umbrella today whose views are anathema to you as well. As for Hillel Stavis' ejection, <a href="http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2009/10/video-audience-member-booted-from-silver/index.shtml#comment-48277" rel="nofollow">even Mobius was critical of that</a>. For example, this woman from Code Pink…. My second inclination is to avoid J Street and recognize that under their big tent they have members whose views are anathema to me and whose approach to the Arab-Israeli conflict leads, in my opinion, to more wars and not peace.

How is the Code Pink lady’s involvement with J Street any different than a Kahanist showing up at AIPAC? The one time I went to the AIPAC convention (during Bibi’s last administration) there were a number of people there who had views way to the right of what I believed, but I didn’t avoid AIPAC for having a big tent that included them. My guess is that there are folks under AIPAC’s umbrella today whose views are anathema to you as well.

As for Hillel Stavis’ ejection, even Mobius was critical of that.

]]> By: Larry http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1370629 Larry Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:51:58 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1370629 I did not go to that session. It was not part of the event and they were only using a room. These things are peripheral and silliness, and not the main event. If you saw some of the bloggers there or even some bloggers on a panel or two, you would never read their works again. They are important only in their own minds and among their friends and frenemies, but when it comes down to the real work of Congressional lobbying, they are of not importance. At least that is what I think I did not go to that session. It was not part of the event and they were only using a room. These things are peripheral and silliness, and not the main event. If you saw some of the bloggers there or even some bloggers on a panel or two, you would never read their works again.
They are important only in their own minds and among their friends and frenemies, but when it comes down to the real work of Congressional lobbying, they are of not importance. At least that is what I think

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1370554 themiddle Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:03:05 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1370554 Was that the J Streeters Against "Israeli Apartheid" session? Was that the J Streeters Against “Israeli Apartheid” session?

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/10/j-street-a-new-avenue-for-ideas-or-a-dead-end-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1370535 ck Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:40:59 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=11182#comment-1370535 More crazies? Why our old friend Richard Silverstein getting one of his enemies booted out of the not-at-all-sponsored-by-JStreet bloggers conference. The people doing the booting? J Street staffers. What was Hillel Stavis' crime? Well, nothing. He was a registered and paid up participant in the conference. He just disagrees with Silverstein and his presence was ruining Silverstein's party! <object width="320" height="265"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/f7rXO-cN9SM&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/f7rXO-cN9SM&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="320" height="265"></embed></object> Shoot - I wonder... would I have been booted out too?? Did you witness this mishegas Larry? More crazies? Why our old friend Richard Silverstein getting one of his enemies booted out of the not-at-all-sponsored-by-JStreet bloggers conference. The people doing the booting? J Street staffers. What was Hillel Stavis’ crime? Well, nothing. He was a registered and paid up participant in the conference. He just disagrees with Silverstein and his presence was ruining Silverstein’s party!

Shoot – I wonder… would I have been booted out too?? Did you witness this mishegas Larry?

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