Comments on: Penetrating Editorial about Goldstone

By: themiddle

themiddle — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:29:40 +0000

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:23:08 +0000

Greenfeld’s head of automatic translation over at Google.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:19:49 +0000

That’s one strange comment, Greenfeld. Reads like spam by a bot.

By: greenfeld

greenfeld — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:53:22 +0000

goldstone report is one sided the peace can come only with . this kind of attack on Palestinian murder . but we live in sick world that a crock and a liar report one sided and not what cause this action . if we look why this action happened we see that the Palestinian murder cause at . i even support stronger actin against the Palestinian i think this was to little for the people that support death .
alot of thing wrong in israel in alot of way israel is a dirty country .
yes i am Disraeli i know how dirty inside politic can be . the court and other government institution.

but to bring peace we must attack this people they no other way .
the Arab with help of European and united nation killing jewish people 2000 years
greenfeld

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:19:27 +0000

Middle, it all reduces to the question of the substance of the report. As we know in the US post- Gitmo, ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’, rendition etc., the motives of those asking the questions are immaterial. Either abuses occurred or they didn’t.

This really shouldn’t be a ‘jam’ at all. If it is, it’s because, as I suggested, Goldstone can’t be dismissed as a caricature, and the matter can’t be spun for the public as a binary choice between dismissing the report altogether or deeming the IDF to be war criminals.

In any event, the unintended beneficiary of Goldstone is, of course, Bibi. Pre-Goldstone, the focus was on Obama’s efforts to get him to agree to a settlements ‘freeze’. Not only is this off the front page (and the table): Bibi gets to do what he does best, depict Israel as surrounded by enemies, indeed nearly friendless, with little choice but to hunker down. As someone who has little to offer but perpetuation of the status quo, Bibi can thank Goldstone for increasing the public’s fears, thereby helping to keep the status quo firmly in place.

By: Rabbi Yonah

Rabbi Yonah — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:53:46 +0000

I heard Goldstone speak – he has no love for Israel. He touted the war crimes stuff then too – all BEFORE his so called investigation.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:48:52 +0000

It’s not that he’s an anti-Semite. I don’t think anybody thinks that. It’s that he has played into the hands of those who are as well as those who are Israel’s sworn enemies.

There are many voices calling for an investigation. However, they are almost all doing it because Goldstone has put Israel is a serious jam, not because anybody accepts what he has written. The key parties who support the report are the high-fivin’ NGOs who were attacking Israel long before Cast Lead for everything it does and things it doesn’t do.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:31:51 +0000

As for the editorial– it’s too bad its contents weren’t inverted, with the paragraphs endorsing an Israeli investigation at the beginning. What does parsing Goldstone’s interviews and op-eds accomplish? Say what you will about his public statements, he’s safely over the bar of self-loathing anti-Semite.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:26:11 +0000

PRI broadcast a report last night that some Israelis have proposed an independent investigation (i.e., one not done by the government or the IDF); however, Marc Regev for the gov’t. likened this to a capitulation to Goldstone.

By: Charlie H. Ettinson

Charlie H. Ettinson — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:02:06 +0000

All this talk of an investigation is somewhat confusing. There are already over 100 ongoing investigations in Israel into the aftermath of Cast Lead, over 20 of which are criminal. Indeed, some soldiers have always been punished for the (minor) crime (but crime nonetheless) of looting a Palestinian home and stealing a credit card.

I think the concern is that a broader investigation would undermine the ongoing ones. Perhaps, once these investigations into specific incidents have been concluded, a more wide ranging one with a broader mandate could be established?

By: Margot

Margot — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:30:47 +0000

Cheers to themiddle for the exposure and Cheers to Forward. Extremely well done indeed.

While most have seen this by now, here’s our own documentary interview on Goldstone prior-to-report-days, BUT Still worth a viewing!!! Be sure to watch the to end and speak your minds via comments. Cheers! ow.ly/vRTI

By: Penetrating Editorial about Goldstone | JewPI

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