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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/11/obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1380820</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE GORDON BROWN</description>
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		<title>By: Tori</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/11/obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1380624</link>
		<dc:creator>Tori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Josh on this one.  Obama&#039;s plans for Israel are as predictable today as they were when he insulted the Likud during his campaign.  Knowing Haaretz&#039;s penchants for rumors, I wasn&#039;t taking it seriously when I read last week that Obama may up and declare a Palestinian state, but this is looking very likely as the days go on.  I also full expect he will say out loud in a short period of time that East Jerusalem is &quot;Arab&quot; and &quot;occupied.&quot;    He has already made the decisions and is just waiting for the right time to implement them.  He doesn&#039;t want to rock the boat now during this healthcare debate, but as soon as healthcare is settled, Israel is on the chopping block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Josh on this one.  Obama&#8217;s plans for Israel are as predictable today as they were when he insulted the Likud during his campaign.  Knowing Haaretz&#8217;s penchants for rumors, I wasn&#8217;t taking it seriously when I read last week that Obama may up and declare a Palestinian state, but this is looking very likely as the days go on.  I also full expect he will say out loud in a short period of time that East Jerusalem is &#8220;Arab&#8221; and &#8220;occupied.&#8221;    He has already made the decisions and is just waiting for the right time to implement them.  He doesn&#8217;t want to rock the boat now during this healthcare debate, but as soon as healthcare is settled, Israel is on the chopping block.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So nothing has really changed since the Samantha Powers video, the &#039;throw Israel under the bus&#039; editorial, and the official White House picture of Obama talking to Bibi with his shoe soles to the camera except that more people are accepting reality of a radical change in attitude at the White House and &#039;a pharaoh that does not know Joseph&#039;. I don&#039;t agree with most of what middle wrote but rather am happy that he is finally agreeing with me. Sorry for being antagonistic, but the ending is so poor: &#039;let&#039;s make the Jewish voice worth something&#039;. Truly amazing that the administration could not care less and the main reason is that Rahm knows it too. Imaging what he is saying to the clueless goyim in the government about us. They finally have an inside man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So nothing has really changed since the Samantha Powers video, the &#8216;throw Israel under the bus&#8217; editorial, and the official White House picture of Obama talking to Bibi with his shoe soles to the camera except that more people are accepting reality of a radical change in attitude at the White House and &#8216;a pharaoh that does not know Joseph&#8217;. I don&#8217;t agree with most of what middle wrote but rather am happy that he is finally agreeing with me. Sorry for being antagonistic, but the ending is so poor: &#8216;let&#8217;s make the Jewish voice worth something&#8217;. Truly amazing that the administration could not care less and the main reason is that Rahm knows it too. Imaging what he is saying to the clueless goyim in the government about us. They finally have an inside man.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Yonah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabbi Yonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TM I am skipping the comments - you are right on the money.

I just left the GA and everything you said was spot on. Rahm made his jokes, talked forever and ever about Obama&#039;s domestic and international agenda, and then hit the middle east.

here were they&#039;re was no mistaking that their words and actions just do not line up.

No matter how much he said that Israel is their BFF, it belies their actions.

Rahm mentioned a contiguous Palistate, how great peace will be for the future, that the Palestinians need to renounce violence, and teaching hate.

But there was ZERO incentive for them to do any of that.

I never thought I would see the day that I agree more with Bibi than with what passes for democratic leadership.

Also - a major National Jewish Democratic leader told me he pulled out of AIPAC.

Yup.

Hasnt cast his vote yet with Jstreet - but that he dropped AIPAC.

That was the huge news.

One might think after the speech that Rahmbo gave that two sovereign countries were discussing a peace deal, and that all that was left to do was sit and discuss things.

Alas.

I am very skeptical about the Obama team&#039;s ability to make peace happen any day soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TM I am skipping the comments &#8211; you are right on the money.</p>
<p>I just left the GA and everything you said was spot on. Rahm made his jokes, talked forever and ever about Obama&#8217;s domestic and international agenda, and then hit the middle east.</p>
<p>here were they&#8217;re was no mistaking that their words and actions just do not line up.</p>
<p>No matter how much he said that Israel is their BFF, it belies their actions.</p>
<p>Rahm mentioned a contiguous Palistate, how great peace will be for the future, that the Palestinians need to renounce violence, and teaching hate.</p>
<p>But there was ZERO incentive for them to do any of that.</p>
<p>I never thought I would see the day that I agree more with Bibi than with what passes for democratic leadership.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; a major National Jewish Democratic leader told me he pulled out of AIPAC.</p>
<p>Yup.</p>
<p>Hasnt cast his vote yet with Jstreet &#8211; but that he dropped AIPAC.</p>
<p>That was the huge news.</p>
<p>One might think after the speech that Rahmbo gave that two sovereign countries were discussing a peace deal, and that all that was left to do was sit and discuss things.</p>
<p>Alas.</p>
<p>I am very skeptical about the Obama team&#8217;s ability to make peace happen any day soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . And yes, Middle, thanks to Lieberman, no PelosiCare for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . And yes, Middle, thanks to Lieberman, no PelosiCare for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morrissey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Morrissey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben-David, I hope Israel takes decisive action on Iran, because it won&#039;t come from this White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben-David, I hope Israel takes decisive action on Iran, because it won&#8217;t come from this White House.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I wish Axelrod, Emanuel, and Geithner weren&#039;t MOTs either, ruining this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I wish Axelrod, Emanuel, and Geithner weren&#8217;t MOTs either, ruining this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben-David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morrisey:
What should Israel do? If I were Bibi, I’d try to coopt Obama by advertising my openness to a final settlement, even privately signalling what I’d be willing to accept.
- - - - - - - - - 
... which is nothing - not because Bibi finds peace agreements &quot;anathema&quot;, but because practically there is no one to talk to - and the Israel that elected Bibi knows this.

Not-particularly-right-wing Israelis have seen Hizbullah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, and now know that it was a game of salami-slicing for the Palis all along. Our lefie elite was wrong, the magic is gone, and behind Abbas stretches a line of ever more openly radical Islamicists.

Any land ceded to them will be used to stage further attacks - most Israelis know this now in our bones, whether or not the settlers say &quot;I told you so&quot;. 

We&#039;ve seen the maps showing the range of various missiles - and mentally calculated the striking distance from the Green Line. 

Any solution involving 2 states east of the Jordan is a non-starter for most Israelis.

Bibi and Liberman (the Israeli one!) are laying the groundwork to move the discussion beyond the land-for-peace, 2-state framework of Oslo. 

Bibi&#039;s demand that the Palis recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland is one example of this - a masterful gambit that cannot be challenged without coming off sounding like a racist, and underscores the Pali&#039;s true intentions and intransigence.

Bibi also handled the White House&#039;s demand for a settlement freeze very nicely - bobbing and weaving like a boxer, deploying hard-liners in the coalition in a good cop/bad cop routine. Look at what Hillary wound up saying... it&#039;s no longer a precondition.

Bibi and Liberman have been very circumspect - sucking it up on the Gaza border instead of finishing the job Barak (the Israeli one!) left unfinished.

Wait until after decisive action is taken on Iran. You may see less retraint from Israel after that die is cast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morrisey:<br />
What should Israel do? If I were Bibi, I’d try to coopt Obama by advertising my openness to a final settlement, even privately signalling what I’d be willing to accept.<br />
- &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; -<br />
&#8230; which is nothing &#8211; not because Bibi finds peace agreements &#8220;anathema&#8221;, but because practically there is no one to talk to &#8211; and the Israel that elected Bibi knows this.</p>
<p>Not-particularly-right-wing Israelis have seen Hizbullah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, and now know that it was a game of salami-slicing for the Palis all along. Our lefie elite was wrong, the magic is gone, and behind Abbas stretches a line of ever more openly radical Islamicists.</p>
<p>Any land ceded to them will be used to stage further attacks &#8211; most Israelis know this now in our bones, whether or not the settlers say &#8220;I told you so&#8221;. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen the maps showing the range of various missiles &#8211; and mentally calculated the striking distance from the Green Line. </p>
<p>Any solution involving 2 states east of the Jordan is a non-starter for most Israelis.</p>
<p>Bibi and Liberman (the Israeli one!) are laying the groundwork to move the discussion beyond the land-for-peace, 2-state framework of Oslo. </p>
<p>Bibi&#8217;s demand that the Palis recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland is one example of this &#8211; a masterful gambit that cannot be challenged without coming off sounding like a racist, and underscores the Pali&#8217;s true intentions and intransigence.</p>
<p>Bibi also handled the White House&#8217;s demand for a settlement freeze very nicely &#8211; bobbing and weaving like a boxer, deploying hard-liners in the coalition in a good cop/bad cop routine. Look at what Hillary wound up saying&#8230; it&#8217;s no longer a precondition.</p>
<p>Bibi and Liberman have been very circumspect &#8211; sucking it up on the Gaza border instead of finishing the job Barak (the Israeli one!) left unfinished.</p>
<p>Wait until after decisive action is taken on Iran. You may see less retraint from Israel after that die is cast.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TM, I wasn&#039;t talking to you, but to Ben-David.  Sorry if you thought I meant you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TM, I wasn&#8217;t talking to you, but to Ben-David.  Sorry if you thought I meant you.</p>
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		<title>By: themiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/11/obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1378914</link>
		<dc:creator>themiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s right about the Ft.Hood attack, but I wish it weren&#039;t a Jewish senator on the forefront of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s right about the Ft.Hood attack, but I wish it weren&#8217;t a Jewish senator on the forefront of this.</p>
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