Comments on: The Palestinians Believe They Have Israel in the Corner

By: Ben-David

Ben-David — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:16:53 +0000

CK – expulsion is a valid punishment for seditious acts, like terrorism.

(My personal problem with it is that the terrorist is likely to join up with his homies, rather than suffer.)

We have also seen that social and communal sanctions work to stop Palestinian terror and recruitment. There are a lot of Palis who don’t want their families involved in this, and a credible threat of dispossesion/financial ruin helps them avoid being tagged “collaborators” in the sick, Sicily-on-steroids world of Hamastan-Gaza and the Wild West Bank.

The British stopped train bombings by having local Arab sheiks in the engine car of each train.

I also think any terrorist with blood on their hands should be executed if found guilty.

By: ck

ck — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:57:29 +0000

David wrote: The only solution and I hope one that is seriously being considered, is total expulsion of complete familes (sic.) of anyone who promotes or acts against the state of Israel.

If we apply that democratically we’ll have to expel a lot of Haredim, a whole mess of settlers and right wingers, numerous supporters of opposition parties, a good chunk of the army and reservists, pissed off cab drivers, surly teenagers, anyone who speeds on the highway, drug users, importers of Chinese products into Israel, currency speculators, a number of philanthropists and their employees, almost the entire city of Tel Aviv etc. and me because I would not want to live in a country like that.

Wait… we could deport the hippies. Send them to India with one way tickets and tell them its a free vacation. Also we can deport all those guys who keep opening Bagel shops where they produce imitation NY-Style bagels. A poor imitation of an abomination is like a double abomination. Yeah… that would be good. Lets do it!

By: themiddle

themiddle — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:47:47 +0000

What Avigdor said.

By: Avigdor

Avigdor — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:49:09 +0000

David, I think you missed the point of the article. Read it again.

By: David

David — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:41:23 +0000

To all those who believe that the arabs living within Israel’s borders have gained anything in recent years are delusional. They are the declared enemy of the Jewish state of Israel and must be controlled by the IDF until they agree to become civilized residents and respect the country in which they are permitted to reside in. The only solution and I hope one that is seriously being considered, is total expulsion of complete familes of anyone who promotes or acts against the state of Israel.

By: Avigdor

Avigdor — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:32:15 +0000

The basic point is that as long as we’re playing by the rules the Palestinian set, nothing can be done. We will always be on the defensive, responding to their provocations, their diplomacy, their initiatives. The only way to change this is by addressing the “2-state” framework and conditions of Oslo, which created this situation in the first place. We can’t keep saying “2-state” and then delay that indefinitely. If the Palestinians were being held to account for their obligations, that’s one thing, but this is just not happening.

By: themiddle

themiddle — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:13:59 +0000

The Europeans matter. There are a number of reasons, but the most prominent among them is that it’s one thing when an anti-Israel measure passes in the UN with the Europeans and Americans abstaining or voting against. The EU is also a major trading partner for Israel. They can’t be dismissed so easily.

By: Avigdor

Avigdor — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:22:39 +0000

Successful Israeli diplomacy would draw parallels between the EU dividing Jerusalem and the Soviet Union dividing Berlin. The Jewish people will not accept this outcome, as the German people did not accept what was imposed on them. That, followed by approval of 10,000 more housing projects in East Jerusalem would settle the issue.

By: Tom Morrissey

Tom Morrissey — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:49:44 +0000

That’s not far from the US position, if not identical to it. It’s the how and when, not the what. And anyway, it all goes through Washington. The EU is not going to displace the US in that part of the world.

By: Avigdor

Avigdor — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:46:47 +0000

The sooner the settlement freeze is ended (or killed off), the better. Settlements are the single biggest leverage Israel has, which is precisely why they are most vociferously opposed by the Arabs. If a Palestinian state is formed, it is far better that it is formed with a substantial (and rapidly growing) Jewish minority that can have a moderating influence and leverage on its internal dynamics. We have nothing to lose by throwing the Palestinians a few dozen settlements to deal with, and forcing them to abide by the same standards of civil society and protection of minority rights that they demand in Israel.