Hahahahahahahaha!

Give me a break. It’s simple, all groups sign these forms and if they violate or their members violate the rules, they are prohibited from bringing out their own speakers. It’s fair, it’s just and it’s going to be effective. Let speak and be permitted to speak or don’t let speak and you won’t be permitted to speak.

I proposed no “rules” that would apply to any Israeli speakers. I proposed rules that would apply to those whose good faith attendance as an audience member for that speaker is in question.

Why should people who wish to hear an Israeli speaker have to sign anything when they don’t if a speaker from another country or organization comes to campus?

Because the audience for those Israeli speakers is bitching that they are getting shouted down too often to be heard.

Why are you so in favor of creating this type of segregation?

Why are you so in favor of rejecting that predictable hecklers be given an advance ultimatum based in an enforceable contract? Why are you so willing to pretend that you can see the treatment of Israeli government speakers by protesters as different, while denying that those potential protesters in attendance be treated differently in an enforceable way, by agreeing to the conditions and consequences beforehand?

By refusing to treat a situation you see as different, er, differently, you are perpetuation a de facto segregation of Israel in the mindset of the campus. Either Israeli speakers are being treated unfairly through attitudes that are perpetuated on campus, or they are not. Incidentally, your proposal is the one that encourages segregation by singling out groups. A single standard required of everyone in attendance at an event, whether prospective heckler or not, creates a uniform standard of respect for all who intend on attending. How this is less preferable to you than singling out groups and demonizing them in the way that Israeli speakers are apparently demonized is beyond me.

If you want to play the mutual demonization game, go ahead, I guess. I don’t see why anyone should expect it to be productive. It sounds very Rovian and tactic-oriented, and not very well thought-out in the long run. It doesn’t encourage respect, which is what one might assume that you want. It does encourage a mindset of perpetual threats, punishment and mutual retaliation, though.

Maybe that’s what you want.

The good news is that several hundred members of the community saw first-hand that there IS a problem at UCI.

The MSU screwed up big time.

Gary Fouse
adj teacher
UCI-Ext
fousesquawk

At the very least, can you put it after the “jump”?

Instead, as a university, I would suspend or expel some of these students since they were warned that these would be possible consequences. The second and better punishment, however, is to identify which group these individuals belonged to and prevent their organization from bringing guests to campus for the next year with an understanding that if in the future any of their members behave in this disruptive fashion again in the presence of a public speaker at UCI, the prohibition on their sponsorship of any public event will extend another year. That will result in a much quieter campus.

Sounds like a fair bargain to me. Better than having some feckless faculty member lecture them on what they’re missing out on. That was pathetic.

Apparently the irony of Palestinians behaving in just as ungovernable a manner at campus events as they are when given political autonomy in the Middle East, is lost on such upstanding young citizens as these.

But it wasn’t lost on me

And stop being outraged at your silly school. If the Israeli government was a little less inept at conveying its own propaganda, it would insist on the conditions I layed out before agreeing to allow Oren to speak.

Are any of you Jews actually related to or know any competent lawyers? And to think you call yourselves “Jewlicious!”

This stupid man and his whiny defaming organization is simultaneously backing “immigration reform,” otherwise known as amnesty and family unification.

He will continue to speak in our name, sell our country and community down the river, and then declare how SHOCKED and OFFENDED and HORRIFIED he is.

This is the state of American Jewish leadership.

It is beyond disgusting that he was treated with such disrespect. Shame.

Then campus security will respond.

It’s like airport security: the officials just want to cover their own ass in the easiest way possible. Those who are well-behaved and follow the rules are the ones who suffer.