Comments on: Foot In Mouth Disease or Worse? http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/ It's a Jewish Blog! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: montana urban legend http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1470054 montana urban legend Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:30:19 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1470054 So, essentially you want to take an issue of religious and historical significance and conflate it with a legal and political analysis. So, essentially you want to take an issue of religious and historical significance and conflate it with a legal and political analysis.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1469794 themiddle Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:51:17 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1469794 Rabbi Yonah will be happy to learn that Caroline Glick agrees with him. http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=170827 She's wrong, but she does agree with him. Rabbi Yonah will be happy to learn that Caroline Glick agrees with him. jpost.com/Opin...

She’s wrong, but she does agree with him.

]]> By: alexk http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1469344 alexk Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:07:04 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1469344 Hey, you guys voted for these fools. But I agree with Rabbi Yonah. Only Americans get to decide where to build in Sante Fe. Not mexicans nor all the people MUL jocks. Hey, you guys voted for these fools. But I agree with Rabbi Yonah. Only Americans get to decide where to build in Sante Fe. Not mexicans nor all the people MUL jocks.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468949 themiddle Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:53:13 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468949 That's right MUL, because it's ONLY JERUSALEM, the heart of our faith. You're right that we should stop parsing "insignificant details," because, after all, they're "insignificant." I mean, so what if the international community's reasoning that Israel shouldn't control east Jerusalem has nothing to do with the Palestinians, Jordanians or Israelis, but rather with the fact that in 1948 it was understood to be a city that belonged to all three Abrahamic faiths. Who cares? That's just parsing of insignificant details. And for that matter, so is any discussion of what happened in 1948 when every last Jew was evicted from that part of Jerusalem. Who the hell cares about that insignificant detail. If the Palestinians and the media want to call it "Arab East Jerusalem," well that's not parsing insignificant details because we know, thanks to your divine wisdom, that only Jews parse things this way. The fact that you would prefer not to address is that Israel annexed this part of Jerusalem. It took it over officially. You can disagree or say the annexation is invalid, but to me that sounds like you incorrectly parsing significant details. That’s right MUL, because it’s ONLY JERUSALEM, the heart of our faith. You’re right that we should stop parsing “insignificant details,” because, after all, they’re “insignificant.” I mean, so what if the international community’s reasoning that Israel shouldn’t control east Jerusalem has nothing to do with the Palestinians, Jordanians or Israelis, but rather with the fact that in 1948 it was understood to be a city that belonged to all three Abrahamic faiths. Who cares? That’s just parsing of insignificant details. And for that matter, so is any discussion of what happened in 1948 when every last Jew was evicted from that part of Jerusalem. Who the hell cares about that insignificant detail. If the Palestinians and the media want to call it “Arab East Jerusalem,” well that’s not parsing insignificant details because we know, thanks to your divine wisdom, that only Jews parse things this way.

The fact that you would prefer not to address is that Israel annexed this part of Jerusalem. It took it over officially. You can disagree or say the annexation is invalid, but to me that sounds like you incorrectly parsing significant details.

]]> By: montana urban legend http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468903 montana urban legend Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:22:22 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468903 Oh, that's right. The West Bank of Jordan did not include the parts of Jerusalem that Israel <i>didn't</i> hold from 1948 until 1967. Thanks for reminding me. The legal distinction is a distinction without a difference. Would you favor extending 181 to all of Israel as a separate, "international" entity? Well, I can guess you wouldn't. And for that reason, you have to accept that east Jerusalem's status is contested - or at least more contested than that of Israel itself, and that Israel's claim to it is less legitimate. There is never an issue that so many lay Jews feel so compelled to legally parse every single, insignificant detail as the status of lands just outside of Israel. Oh, that’s right. The West Bank of Jordan did not include the parts of Jerusalem that Israel didn’t hold from 1948 until 1967. Thanks for reminding me.

The legal distinction is a distinction without a difference. Would you favor extending 181 to all of Israel as a separate, “international” entity? Well, I can guess you wouldn’t. And for that reason, you have to accept that east Jerusalem’s status is contested – or at least more contested than that of Israel itself, and that Israel’s claim to it is less legitimate.

There is never an issue that so many lay Jews feel so compelled to legally parse every single, insignificant detail as the status of lands just outside of Israel.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468184 themiddle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:17:50 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468184 I don't think east Jerusalem is in the "West Bank." I've always thought it was considered a separate entity because 181 left it as an international city. Do you have evidence that it's part of the "West Bank?" I don’t think east Jerusalem is in the “West Bank.” I’ve always thought it was considered a separate entity because 181 left it as an international city. Do you have evidence that it’s part of the “West Bank?”

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468182 themiddle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:15:23 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468182 Well, to be fair, there are all sorts of "experts" declaring that "occupation" leads to suicide bombings and they use the parallel between Iraq, Afghanistan and Judea and Samaria... Well, to be fair, there are all sorts of “experts” declaring that “occupation” leads to suicide bombings and they use the parallel between Iraq, Afghanistan and Judea and Samaria…

]]> By: montana urban legend http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468179 montana urban legend Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:09:11 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468179 Did I just hear an equivalence asserted between Israel's occupation of the West Bank (which includes East Jerusalem) and America's occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan? Remind me of how many permanent housing settlements the U.S. has constructed for Americans to live in so that they can colonize Iraq and Afghanistan... Did I just hear an equivalence asserted between Israel’s occupation of the West Bank (which includes East Jerusalem) and America’s occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan?

Remind me of how many permanent housing settlements the U.S. has constructed for Americans to live in so that they can colonize Iraq and Afghanistan…

]]> By: Roaming Rabbi http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468135 Roaming Rabbi Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:50:09 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468135 Biden should be more responsible.... the world is having a field day and Jews round the world will suffer the backlash of his harsh words. Its time to reevaluate the relationship with the US Biden should be more responsible…. the world is having a field day and Jews round the world will suffer the backlash of his harsh words.

Its time to reevaluate the relationship with the US

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468059 themiddle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:17:57 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468059 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1155460.html <blockquote> "The district committees approve plans weekly without informing me," Yishai told Israel Radio. He further said that the committee could not have predicted that the approval would spur such a political storm. "A few days ago, hundreds of new housing units were approved in Beitar Illit, which is much more problematic," said Yishai. "So if the committee members saw that those houses were approved without a problem, they didn't think a technical authorization in Jerusalem, which isn't part of the settlement freeze, would require the minister's knowledge." Yishai emphasized that even though he doesn't see a problem with the actual authorization of the East Jerusalem homes, if he knew about it, he would have delayed the move by a few weeks. "If I'd have known, I would have postponed the authorization by a week or two since we had no intention of provoking anyone," Yishai said. "It is definitely unpleasant that this happened during Biden's visit. If the committee members would have known that the approval would have escalated to such a situation, they would have informed me," Yishai emphasized. "I apologize for the distress this matter caused," he added. </blockquote> haaretz.com/ha...

“The district committees approve plans weekly without informing me,” Yishai told Israel Radio. He further said that the committee could not have predicted that the approval would spur such a political storm.

“A few days ago, hundreds of new housing units were approved in Beitar Illit, which is much more problematic,” said Yishai. “So if the committee members saw that those houses were approved without a problem, they didn’t think a technical authorization in Jerusalem, which isn’t part of the settlement freeze, would require the minister’s knowledge.”

Yishai emphasized that even though he doesn’t see a problem with the actual authorization of the East Jerusalem homes, if he knew about it, he would have delayed the move by a few weeks.

“If I’d have known, I would have postponed the authorization by a week or two since we had no intention of provoking anyone,” Yishai said. “It is definitely unpleasant that this happened during Biden’s visit. If the committee members would have known that the approval would have escalated to such a situation, they would have informed me,” Yishai emphasized.

“I apologize for the distress this matter caused,” he added.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468052 themiddle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:04:44 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468052 Because that's not how one treats a guest and a friend. The US isn't functioning in a vacuum and its relationship with Israel is one relationship among dozens of important ones, not its only one with another country. Considering the energy, effort and money the US puts into its FRIENDSHIP and strategic relationship with Israel, embarrassing the VP seems wrong-headed, not to mention foolish. Because that’s not how one treats a guest and a friend.

The US isn’t functioning in a vacuum and its relationship with Israel is one relationship among dozens of important ones, not its only one with another country. Considering the energy, effort and money the US puts into its FRIENDSHIP and strategic relationship with Israel, embarrassing the VP seems wrong-headed, not to mention foolish.

]]> By: Vicki http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468043 Vicki Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:39:57 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468043 Honestly, I've stopped paying attention to what US leaders say to or about Israel. As long as the US keeps increasing military aid to Israel ($3 billion as of the latest 2010 budget approved by Obama, a record-breaking amount,) why does it matter what Biden's stance on the issue is? When America talks about stopping sending money, then I'll sit up and take note. Honestly, I’ve stopped paying attention to what US leaders say to or about Israel. As long as the US keeps increasing military aid to Israel ($3 billion as of the latest 2010 budget approved by Obama, a record-breaking amount,) why does it matter what Biden’s stance on the issue is? When America talks about stopping sending money, then I’ll sit up and take note.

]]> By: Joshua http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1468019 Joshua Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:29:05 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1468019 Israel was going to get condemned whether it was today or six weeks from now. What's wrong with putting Biden on the spot to finally state what his position on a united Jerusalem is? Israel was going to get condemned whether it was today or six weeks from now. What’s wrong with putting Biden on the spot to finally state what his position on a united Jerusalem is?

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1467999 themiddle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:43:19 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1467999 Okay, none of you get to be prime minister of Israel. You'd be worse than Bibi. Okay, none of you get to be prime minister of Israel. You’d be worse than Bibi.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1467997 themiddle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:40:18 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1467997 ck, I know Ramat Shlomo very well. That's not the issue. There was no need to do this when Biden was there. ck, I know Ramat Shlomo very well. That’s not the issue. There was no need to do this when Biden was there.

]]> By: Ozzy Zion http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1467996 Ozzy Zion Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:39:46 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1467996 For Israel to build homes in Jerusalem is no different than if they were to build homes in Netanya, Arad, Beer Sheeba, or Eilat. If they start building homes in Austin, Atlanta or Hartford then Mr. Biden should certainly speak his peace. Until then please return to ribbon cutting ceremonies at veterans hospitals, shaking babies and kissing hands on the campaign trail. For Israel to build homes in Jerusalem is no different than if they were to build homes in Netanya, Arad, Beer Sheeba, or Eilat. If they start building homes in Austin, Atlanta or Hartford then Mr. Biden should certainly speak his peace. Until then please return to ribbon cutting ceremonies at veterans hospitals, shaking babies and kissing hands on the campaign trail.

]]> By: ck http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1467907 ck Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:58:21 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1467907 Regardless of the timing of the announcement, Ramat Shlomo is as Arab as the Mount of Olives or the Jewish Quarter. I mean we're catching shit for building homes on land that is not even displacing Palestinians?? That's just ridiculous. Why should we act as if the division of Jerusalem is a fait accompli? A done deal? So that the lame duck Palestinian leadership will deign to get off their divan at Darna and come to the negotiating table? And negotiate what exactly? What's to negotiate when a precondition for negotiating is the preliminary acceptance of their most contentious demands? Are we seriously expected to be that retarded? Regardless of the timing of the announcement, Ramat Shlomo is as Arab as the Mount of Olives or the Jewish Quarter. I mean we’re catching shit for building homes on land that is not even displacing Palestinians?? That’s just ridiculous. Why should we act as if the division of Jerusalem is a fait accompli? A done deal? So that the lame duck Palestinian leadership will deign to get off their divan at Darna and come to the negotiating table? And negotiate what exactly? What’s to negotiate when a precondition for negotiating is the preliminary acceptance of their most contentious demands? Are we seriously expected to be that retarded?

]]> By: Joshua http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1467806 Joshua Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:56:50 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1467806 As for Biden, if he really believes in his heart that Jerusalem should be divided, he should just say it and not pussy-foot around it, like he just did. Sure, he'll have to deal with the fallout, with Jewish Dems fleeing for Republicans and third-party options in November, but at least it'll be out in the open. As for Biden, if he really believes in his heart that Jerusalem should be divided, he should just say it and not pussy-foot around it, like he just did. Sure, he’ll have to deal with the fallout, with Jewish Dems fleeing for Republicans and third-party options in November, but at least it’ll be out in the open.

]]> By: themiddle http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1467805 themiddle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:56:03 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1467805 "The rest of the world also don’t recognize your mythical religious connection to it either." :roll: “The rest of the world also don’t recognize your mythical religious connection to it either.”

:roll:

]]> By: Joshua http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/03/foot-in-mouth-disease-or-worse/#comment-1467803 Joshua Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:53:54 +0000 http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=13384#comment-1467803 Oh boy, looks like we got CTC back again. Go back to the hole from which you crawled. Oh, and right now, the UN is looking more and more like the ill-fated League of Nations, so I'm sorry if I don't have the energy to give a damn about what the UN says. Oh boy, looks like we got CTC back again. Go back to the hole from which you crawled.

Oh, and right now, the UN is looking more and more like the ill-fated League of Nations, so I’m sorry if I don’t have the energy to give a damn about what the UN says.

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