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		<title>By: montana urban legend</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/06/change-the-conversation/#comment-1527431</link>
		<dc:creator>montana urban legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sounds like you make a great gay boyfriend MUL.&lt;/i&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t know. Did you learn about such things from your own gay boyfriend, Alex?

Hey - I wouldn&#039;t hold it against you. If you make your gay boyfriend happy or if he makes you happy, that&#039;s fine with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sounds like you make a great gay boyfriend MUL.</i></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t know. Did you learn about such things from your own gay boyfriend, Alex?</p>
<p>Hey &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t hold it against you. If you make your gay boyfriend happy or if he makes you happy, that&#8217;s fine with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben-David</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/06/change-the-conversation/#comment-1527356</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political correctness replaces moral judgment based on merit/behavior with a static system of &quot;official&quot; victim groups, and &quot;official&quot; oppressors.

Once you get on the A list of chic victim groups - you are NEVER held responsible for anything you yourself do. In the most repulsive version of this - your victim is blamed for &quot;oppressing&quot; you, thus causing you to attack them.

That is the dynamic here. There&#039;s a lot of moralizing - but no real moral judgment. It&#039;s all about showing you know who&#039;s on the A list and who&#039;s on the B list, and dispensing pity or scorn accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political correctness replaces moral judgment based on merit/behavior with a static system of &#8220;official&#8221; victim groups, and &#8220;official&#8221; oppressors.</p>
<p>Once you get on the A list of chic victim groups &#8211; you are NEVER held responsible for anything you yourself do. In the most repulsive version of this &#8211; your victim is blamed for &#8220;oppressing&#8221; you, thus causing you to attack them.</p>
<p>That is the dynamic here. There&#8217;s a lot of moralizing &#8211; but no real moral judgment. It&#8217;s all about showing you know who&#8217;s on the A list and who&#8217;s on the B list, and dispensing pity or scorn accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexK</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/06/change-the-conversation/#comment-1527353</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you make a great gay boyfriend MUL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you make a great gay boyfriend MUL.</p>
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		<title>By: montana urban legend</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/06/change-the-conversation/#comment-1527198</link>
		<dc:creator>montana urban legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT, but when I go to the Flickr sidebar why do I always wonder how many girls are there frolicking around Israel who just &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t wait&lt;/i&gt; to be photographed doing whatever by ck? 

When I was at the Dead Sea and my eyes got a bit salty I was led out (or carried, depending on which version I happen to recall) by three French girls I was travelling with to the showers. One looked like a very young Elizabeth Hurley. It was kind of fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but when I go to the Flickr sidebar why do I always wonder how many girls are there frolicking around Israel who just <i>can&#8217;t wait</i> to be photographed doing whatever by ck? </p>
<p>When I was at the Dead Sea and my eyes got a bit salty I was led out (or carried, depending on which version I happen to recall) by three French girls I was travelling with to the showers. One looked like a very young Elizabeth Hurley. It was kind of fun.</p>
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		<title>By: montana urban legend</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/06/change-the-conversation/#comment-1527195</link>
		<dc:creator>montana urban legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s actually a rather silly case. But the modern liberal believes in improving the worst lot first, and hence they focus (albeit vaguely) on the Arabs. They root for the underdog, and conflate physical/military inferiority - especially when pitted in a nationalistic battle with others - with moral superiority. That&#039;s just what liberals do.  

In rooting for the underdog, comparative liberalisms between two or more parties doesn&#039;t matter. The lack of power matters. But in a way, they have a point. (And perhaps this is incidental). If Israel is already the (intrinsically?) more liberal party, why does it need defending? There is a difference between defending the rights of those perceived to be without them (a core tenet of the liberal view) and preferring to defend the rights of those who are merely more liberal (which has nothing to do with liberalism. If anything, a defense of one&#039;s &quot;own&quot;, whether ethnically, culturally, ideologically or otherwise, is moreso a conservative tendency). 

Sorry Sarah. I like your writing, but the case you try to advance is fucked - at least when viewed through the traditional, binary ideological construct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s actually a rather silly case. But the modern liberal believes in improving the worst lot first, and hence they focus (albeit vaguely) on the Arabs. They root for the underdog, and conflate physical/military inferiority &#8211; especially when pitted in a nationalistic battle with others &#8211; with moral superiority. That&#8217;s just what liberals do.  </p>
<p>In rooting for the underdog, comparative liberalisms between two or more parties doesn&#8217;t matter. The lack of power matters. But in a way, they have a point. (And perhaps this is incidental). If Israel is already the (intrinsically?) more liberal party, why does it need defending? There is a difference between defending the rights of those perceived to be without them (a core tenet of the liberal view) and preferring to defend the rights of those who are merely more liberal (which has nothing to do with liberalism. If anything, a defense of one&#8217;s &#8220;own&#8221;, whether ethnically, culturally, ideologically or otherwise, is moreso a conservative tendency). </p>
<p>Sorry Sarah. I like your writing, but the case you try to advance is fucked &#8211; at least when viewed through the traditional, binary ideological construct.</p>
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		<title>By: montana urban legend</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/06/change-the-conversation/#comment-1527191</link>
		<dc:creator>montana urban legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A powerful Christian case for Israel...&quot;? You mean, like the ingathering of all the Jews to facilitate their massacre in the apocalyptic battle that portends Christ&#039;s return?

That&#039;s a great case to make for Israel, innit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A powerful Christian case for Israel&#8230;&#8221;? You mean, like the ingathering of all the Jews to facilitate their massacre in the apocalyptic battle that portends Christ&#8217;s return?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great case to make for Israel, innit?</p>
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		<title>By: AlexK</title>
		<link>http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/06/change-the-conversation/#comment-1527128</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have been trying for years (unsuccessfully) to wrap my mind around the notion that the people who proclaim to care the most about liberty / tolerance / moderation / peacefulness when it comes to the West are those most likely to accept third world and Islamic extremist brutality and warmongering, as if to shrug and say, &quot;Well, gosh, you know.. that&#039;s just their way, those crazy folks.&quot;&quot;

And here you sum up the duality and hypocrisy of modern, Western big &quot;L&quot; Liberalism.  At the same time as they make excuses for our enemies and rationale for why we are evil, they attack small &quot;c&quot; conservatism as contrary to &quot;liberty / tolerance / moderation / peacefulness&quot; which is of course, a lie and a joke.

&quot;Let us begin to hold EVERYBODY ... up to the same standards.&quot; - That IS one of the fundamental concepts of conservative and why most people outgrow liberalism after they leave college, get jobs, and become productive members of society.  It&#039;s why I made that journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have been trying for years (unsuccessfully) to wrap my mind around the notion that the people who proclaim to care the most about liberty / tolerance / moderation / peacefulness when it comes to the West are those most likely to accept third world and Islamic extremist brutality and warmongering, as if to shrug and say, &#8220;Well, gosh, you know.. that&#8217;s just their way, those crazy folks.&#8221;"</p>
<p>And here you sum up the duality and hypocrisy of modern, Western big &#8220;L&#8221; Liberalism.  At the same time as they make excuses for our enemies and rationale for why we are evil, they attack small &#8220;c&#8221; conservatism as contrary to &#8220;liberty / tolerance / moderation / peacefulness&#8221; which is of course, a lie and a joke.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let us begin to hold EVERYBODY &#8230; up to the same standards.&#8221; &#8211; That IS one of the fundamental concepts of conservative and why most people outgrow liberalism after they leave college, get jobs, and become productive members of society.  It&#8217;s why I made that journey.</p>
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